The gib pads eventually wear some if the infeed depth is changed
frequently over a long-enough period of time.
But, they're adjustable to compensate for the droop that develops so is
rarely anything more than some adjustment needed to be back in spec.
About the only other thing that can happen is warping a table by using
it as a lever or handle to muscle the thing around...in that case,
you've got "trouble right here in River City..."
On Monday, March 31, 2014 3:29:19 PM UTC-5, Bill wrote:
I used to own a 4" Craftsman Jointer, that was probably of similar vintage. it was mounted on a home-made stand and it was a pretty good little machine. Granted it had a lot of limitation but it was sound and smooth.
You mentioned the 8" Grizzly. My son-in-law has a mid 2000's vintage 8" Grizzly and it is a very nice machine. The year he bought his, Fine Woodworking rated it highly; and prior to that they barely recognized Grizzly products.
Thank you for the review RonB. The main problem with ordering from
Grizzly appears to be that they seem to be inconsistent. I had a
10%-off coupon and was ready to push the button until I saw some
pictures of someone unpacking the same model. It had a lot of
imperfections. I decided at that moment, that at the very least, I
didn't want one from the same lot. I think the person who took the
pictures returned his. SMC (sawmillcreek.com) took the thread down as
a "complaint posted made before notifying the manufacturer"--which their
policies don't allow. Grizzly seems to provide a lot of customer
service though, but they seem to expect their customers to have a high
tolerance for "issues" too. I guess that's "part of the deal". It's
not like I have a tap and die set handy (maybe I should...).
age. it was mounted on a home-made stand and it was a pretty good little m
achine. Granted it had a lot of limitation but it was sound and smooth.
" Grizzly and it is a very nice machine. The year he bought his, Fine Wood
working rated it highly; and prior to that they barely recognized Grizzly p
I have an advantage that a lot of folks don't have. The Springfield store
is about two hours away. When I was looking for a cabinet saw about 13 yea
rs ago the 1023 series was on my list. We were in the Branson/Springfield
area and dropped by and got a good demo in the store's wood shop. When I p
ulled the plug and ordered a few weeks later I was pretty sure of what was
coming and wasn't disappointed. A couple of years ago I bought a 15" surfa
ce planer and dust collector at the Grizzly Store. I was able to lift the
box on the planer and inspect it in the store before they loaded it.
BTW - Don't ever go to a Grizzly Store! It is like a big kid's candy store
Ha! I made the Grizzly Springfield store a vacation stop 2 years ago!
I enjoyed my visit--even got the T-shirt! If the store was nearby,
allowing for a more convenient return, if necessary, I would look at
Fortunately, about the time the local Woodworkers Warehouse closed it's
doors my shop was well equipped. Since that time I acquired a second, much
larger 36" bandsaw, and traded up from a 1 1/2 HP to a 3 HP shaper. Both
those were found on Craigs List, but otherwise all the corded tools were
acquired while WW was in business... It is probably good that they are gone,
and that Numrich Arms closed their retail store... The staff knew my name
and me theirs... I was treated more like a friend than a customer and both
places sucked money out of my pocket while they existed. ;~) If I lived
near a small town in Maine I'd be in real trouble... ;~)
You were a shop teacher? I still remember my shop teacher from 8th grade,
At that time, students were divided into "sections", 1-7 depending upon
learning/intellectual ability, one being the highest. I was in section one
but somehow wound up in a section 7 shop class.
The shop teacher caught a kid trying to chop through a piece of wood on the
joiner; the teacher finished the job for him by bending the kid over a bench
and breaking ther board on his butt. I thought that was excessive then and
still do. I hope you were more tolerant of your students errors.
In 1946, I don't think that was excessive, it made an impression.
Today it would require he be fired, and put in jail.
I remember my wood shop teacher, he was kind of cool and knowledgeable
until one day he was working on his own project on the lathe, and
outboard project that was large, the largest turning I had ever seen..
We were left outside the class for what was probably 30 minutes after
class started. Kids were banging on the door.. He went into a melt down
and started throwing things all over the place, destroyed some of the
kids projects.. From that point on, I thought he was an jerk. He went
way overboard, so he could work on his own project. He could have done
the work after school...
He could have been cool and remembered fondly, but the biggest thing I
remember was this one temper tantrum. It's a shame, until then I really
liked the guy. You had to be there to understand how over the top this
was.. Maybe like your classmate who got paddled, where I can't
understand how over the top he was.
That is for what I remember my Jr. High woodshop/ceramics teacher... During
ceramics class he made laminate kitchen counter tops for somebody and during
woodshop class the next year he made a fiberglass covered wooden cap for his
pickup. He kind of left the class to their own devices much of the time...
I recall him making a complete mess while spreading the contact cement for
the counter tops. Me, a kid of 12 years of age, explained to him a better
way of doing it (my next door neighbor was a professional cabinet maker) and
he tried it... for a few minutes he enjoyed success but then went right back
to what he'd been doing. Needless to say, after those combined experiences,
this guy did not leave a favorable impression on me... to the point that I
long ago forgot his name. Another way to put it is that I have enjoyed
success as a woodworker in spite of him. ;~)
I also had a wood shop teacher in my flying club. His spars never quite
touched the ribs fully. His webbing between the spars had the same
problem, he just globbed ambroid glue on as if it wood provide the
strength.. I would explain that if it was a wood to wood bond it would
be stronger, he always dismissed me.. So everytime he launched a new
airplane it was fun to watch... about half of them we would hear OH SHIT
while he was going up on the winch or high start (these were gliders
which need wing strength). What followed was the wing folding
completely. Always worth a laugh that he never got the idea that
building a nice clean air frame was important for strength and light
weight. I can't imagine what his woodworking was like. His station
wagon looked like a homeless guy living in it.
Yep. 21 years. I had a construction curriculum, where we built a turn-key
house on site, ever two years for sale to the public, along with other
projects for the school like bus garage additions and a softball concession
stand and locker rooms and community park picnic shelters and such. I ended
up doing much more than the houses, including building full sets of solid
oak raised panel cabinets for some of the houses and benches and other
furniture for the school. Pretty nice shop, although not big enough for the
amount of students I had.
Funny, but I only had one semester of shop in 8th grade. I was college
prep. I was a band director before I became a contractor, before I became a
teacher. Go figure!
I could tell you stories, for hours, I suppose. I learned to listen
constantly, as I interacted with other students, for signs that all was not
going as it should in the shop. It is amazing how the sound of a machine
will give away its' incorrect use, if you only listen for it.
One reason I retired early was that I was afraid that my tolerance of
student behavior would have gotten me into trouble if I had stayed much
longer. Many of the kids of today have reduced their personal respect and
responsibility to the point that they will do anything they think they can
get away with, and break anything they think they can break, just to see if
they can. Work ethic and desire to learn have also fallen to the point that
I fear for our countries future. It all comes back to the parents. Teach
your kids parents. Morals, respect, responsibility and work ethic. The
teachers will handle the rest with ease if they have those skills.
But yes. I was tolerant of errors. That is a teaching opportunity. Not as
tolerant of purposeful misbehavior. Still, I never busted a board on
anyone's butt. Not to say that I didn't want to, a few times!
My sister-in-law retired last year after teaching 30 years and said the
above, almost word for word.
We have had a number of conversations in the past couple of years and I
asked for her opinion, in as few words as possible, about what was wrong
with our public education system. Her one word reply:
What do you mean "BUT"?? That is the problem, the parents. Every child
has parents, that is how they were created, absentee or not. It is not
the responsibility of the teachers to do what the parents, absentee or
not are, are suppose to do. Throw the absentee parents in jail.
The lack of which, while not tolerating abuse, is a key element that
seems lacking any more...a firm swat can also be a learning
experience...from one exercise of same on the unwanted end also in 8th-G
There are a few jackleg carpenters and carpenter teachers out there,
unfortunately. I heard it said that anyone who has ever picked up a hammer
and driven a nail considers themselves to be a carpenter. Not far from the
truth, me thinks.
The guy I replaced had forged his recommendation on letterhead that his
mother had stolen from the contractor she kept books for. OMG! The
stories I heard. He cut his fingertips on the jointer twice in three years!
He cut square holes in the sheetrock for round ceiling boxes. I could go on
and on. One thing scared the poop out of me happened in the shop, though.
I had found that nearly every machine in the shop was so far out of
adjustment to be unusable, and there were some pretty major safety problems.
I went thought and fixed what I found, and proceeded. One day, I heard the
jointer chatter uncharacteristically, from across the room. I flew over and
got it shut down. I then proceeded to investigate, and found that one chip
breaker was being held in by two of the 5 screws, and by the sawdust packed
between the blade and the bar. I could not even get it out without
destroying the bar, it was wedged in so tight.
that isn't the worst of it, believe it or not. Underneath the end of each
blade were three 6d nails with the heads cut off. From what I can figure,
he used them as shims to adjust the height of the blades.
I immediately shut the shop down, and stayed after late every day, until
each machine had been completely torn down, inspected and re-adjusted. Oh,
and first I went to get a change of shorts!
Haven't even thought about Ambroid since I stopped building models in
the mid '50's.
Still remember it was $0.50/tube which was a lot of money to a kid
who earned $0.50/hr back then.
Is it still available?
HomeOwnersHub.com is a website for homeowners and building and maintenance pros. It is not affiliated with any of the manufacturers or service providers discussed here.
All logos and trade names are the property of their respective owners.