Yes, it will. But we don't know the numbers, and we won't until it's
been field tested for years. There will be problems. Either they will
fix the problems, or they are unfixable.
Can't we just say "I'm not personally convinced it's a good idea. I
will wait until I see the numbers before deciding one way of the
Seems like this would eliminate a lot of the flames.
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First off, anyone that thinks that having a saw that will reduce an accident
on a saw from one that requires anything from stiches, on up to amputations
to a cut that is 1/32 in depth at a cost of no more than the cost of a new
cartridge and a saw blade is a bad idea, is an absolute moron not capable of
operating any power tool, IMHO. So no, I don't think the flames will stop.
They won't stop because people like you take the attitude that anybody who
disagrees with you is "an absolute moron not capable of operating any power
tool". Which leads those who fall into that category to develop toward you
an attitude of "Jo Mama".
Reply to jclarke at ae tee tee global dot net
Nah, I have invented the
"PurpleTitaniumRobotWithPeanutButterAndJellySandwichStop". It works great.
As a side benefit, my weiner hasn't been cut off since I've had it.
Currently I'm in negotiations to make it mandatory so that no one else will
be traumatized again.
In my case it would be $70- for the cartridge, and $110- for the blade...and
I would like to state emphatically "yes" that I would gladly pay that many
times to keep my fingers and limbs intact. Is there really any other way to
look at it? Maybe for someone that was so cheap that they can justify not
spending the money to keep their digits and limbs there is a different
answer...but I don't think so!
The "right way" to look at it is statistically. There are X tablesaws
being used in a given geographical area. There are Y tablesaw injuries
in that same geographical area. Of those Y injuries, there are Z that
would have been prevented by SawStop. Unless Z is a significant
fraction of X, SS will likely not find much traction amongst the X
Isn't easier to just not put your fingers in the blade rather than add
hardware to stop the blade when you do? A couple of home-made pushsticks
accomplish the same goals as the Saw-Stop, and the SS can't prevent
all tablesaw injuries (such as those caused by kickback) and may infact
cause more because of operator complacency.
Yeah, that's my biggest concern with the SawStop. I think it's an
interesting idea, but I wouldn't be surprised if, if we ever have a
world where it's mandatory, the net number of injuries stays about
constant, as people depend on the SS to save them instead of being
really aware of what they're doing. The tablesaw is still a dangerous
machine even if it won't cut off your finger.
I keep reading that from people, but how many times have you heard anyone
say that they drive more recklessly because they have an airbag in their
car? Or even really had reason to believe they do? It isn't human nature
to behave that way. Whenever I heard that argument the first thought that
comes to my mind is that it's a hollow argument from someone who simply does
not like an idea, but has not real argument against it. Sort of a red
herring. People have a natural tendency to avoid things that will hurt them
whether safety devices are in place or not. The problem comes in if they
don't know about the things that can hurt them or if for some reason they
believe themselves to be immune to the potential for injury. You know -
like we all were when we had our first cars. Before our first accidents...
I don't think that safety devices do this, but "performance accessories"
like a new set of big fat tires or a huge wing on the back DO encourage
reckless driving. As long as tablesaws don't have spoilers or big fart pipes
on the back I think we are all responsible enough not to work dangerously.
Well, clearly some three kilopeople annually are in fact not responsible
enough not to work dangerously. It's somewhat less clear that any
government-mandated safety device is a better means of preserving their digits
than simple responsible safety practices.
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Are you implying that none of the 3000 + people that have amputations are
not professional woodworkers?
I know several carpenters and professional woodworkers that have had fingers
disappear, or get serious enough cuts that require them not to work. Don't
I've known several carpenters who couldn't find their way out
of a paper bag. Saw-stop wouldn't save them from their own
stupidity. Next you'll be all gung-ho over a nail-stop device
which attaches to a nail gun and prevents one from shooting oneself
in the head.
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