I'm not asking for political comment here about wether or not sawstop should
be doing what they are doing.
What I am wondering if the device actually works as well as they say it
So the real question is, Has anyone actually installed one of these and had
it prevent an injury yet (or know of anyone who has)?
To my knowledge, there are no saws in production that have this feature. No
manufacturer has agreed to include the technology on their saws, and SawStop
themselves is taking pre-orders but (again to my knowledge) has yet to
deliver a saw to a consumer. So, for now, the only person saved so far is
That was a major consensus on this ng a year ago, Blue. Can you imagine a 3
h.p. TS (or a 5!?!) coming to a dead stop in that time frame? IIRC - it's
like an airbag - costly to use a second time and you can forget any decent
bearings or assemblage after the stop. (Alignment isn't even a mentionable
factor here.) :-) I believe all our digits are important and I still
believe that personal shop safety and awareness are the key elements to
This might, indeed, be one of the issues with this product. While I
understand accidents happen, stuff like this can make one lazy and
forget personal responsibility. The price to pay is a mucked up saw
because the sawstop was enabled due to your carelessness.
As I said before, there may be venues where it would be approriate,
perhaps, a school setting. Otherwise, don't foist it upon me assuming
I don't have enough wherwithal to assume responsibility for my own
I never understand this point that a lot of people make about protective
equipment. It's almost to say that the safety device will make people
careless and will lead to more accidents overall. I don't buy it. Do
people drive their cars carelessly because they have a seatbelt on or an
airbag in the car? No, they drive carelessly because they are careless.
Hey, what have you got against hot dogs? lol
I thought they offered it as a kit at first (still?) where you could
retrofit your existing saw. Maybe my memory is failing, but I am pretty
sure Sawstop was around for awhile before they decided to bring out thier
own line of tablesaws.
Well, I'm no expert on SawStop, but my recollection of their business
activities is thus:
Step 1: Offer the product to saw manufacturers as an option on saws.
Apparently, this didn't go as well as SawStop would have liked.
Step 2: SawStop decides to make their own saws, or at least pictures of
their own saws. They take preorders on these saws, but haven't delivered
one yet (AFAIK).
Step 3: Apparently, not satisfied with Steps 1 and 2, they decided to
petition the CPSC to mandate inclusion of a SawStop-like device on future
saws. They are doing this strictly as a public service. If they are forced
to make $100 per saw in the process, that's a risk they're willing to take.
Oh, sure, they're all for competition, but anyone who has ever worked in
product development knows that most of the time, the person who is first
makes the lion's share of the profits. There are, of course, notable
examples of where this has not been the case, but I'm sure SawStop is going
with the odds on this one. Besides, what do they have to lose? They sure
aren't making the cash flow as it is.
Oh, and I'm a big fan of hot dogs. Now Randall Simon (Pirates first
baseman) is another story. He must have been beaten up by an Italian
sausage as a child. But I digress. I'm just pointing out that to date, a
wiener is the only thing saved by SawStop (insert joke here).
You say in jest Oscar Mayer was the only person saved. Just remember
this the next time you carelessly get your wiener in the spinning
blade of your table saw. You will wish you had a saw stop.
I understand that the test wieners of the world are protesting being
used as test meat for the Saw Stop. Their spokeswiener was quoted as
saying, "We are not just going to sit on our BUNS and let this happen.
Our right have been lagging behind other meats and we have to KETCHUP
before we end up sitting in a pot of beans. We RELISH the thought of
protesting with all the efforts we can MUSTARD."
"We are not just going to sit on our BUNS and let this happen.
I'm totally STEAMED over all the GRILLING this topic has taken. You guys
are waaay out of the BALLPARK with this one. I'm totally SAUERED over it
I'm so lost, I'm going to have ask LOML to re-read all this and see if she
can make any sense of it all. Now please excuse me while I go "OSCAR!"
Jums (really reaching for that last one!)
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