No, I would be a hypocrite if I past on getting one on my next saw or passed
on a retrofit. I am not in the market for a new saw right now. If however
I could adapt my saw for 3 or 4 hundred dollars today, I would do that.
Well Dave it sounds like you have all your bases covered and should not
think about safety any farther than you have at this point. I know that
this all sorta new to you and that with your precision and forethought that
nothing will ever happen to you in the shop requiring a trip to the ER. So
for you and all the ones that think like this, I say good luck and be
careful but don't be shocked when some thind does happen.
Me, I am a realist. I know I am capable of getting hurt in the shop, and
did after 10 years of experience. I know that accidents happen and no
amount of preparation can prevent all of them them. I have meen reeeeal
lucky in the last 14 years as my track record has been clean. Now you and I
know that 14 years of no accidents and 8 of the profesionally is not pure
luck. I do exercise caution with all my power tools and that really is why
nothing has happened again, but I am not so silly or ignorant to believe
that it could not happen again. So, I would just as soon have the Saw Stop
or Similar device, government or no government involved. Nothing
complicated about that decision. Pretty simple really. The lessor of two
When you settle for the lesser of two evils, you are settling for
evil. Do you really want that?
I have no objections to purchasing a safety device for my saw
of my own accord. But I'll be damned if some money-grubbing company
tries to FORCE that purchase down my throat without even a choice
as to the manufacturer!
If it were an open market with several competing companies making
similarly effective saw safety devices, it'd be one thing, but the
only people who benefit financially from SawStop's petition is THEM.
It's greed taken to an extreme form.
Well Dave I don't want for it to required either. I would love for it to be
an option in later years, but when the time comes, I'll take it any way I
can get it, required by the government or not.
My point is, I want one on my next saw, right now I am not in the market for
a saw. My next saw will have it if they are still available.
If the government mandates a safety device of this kind, I will not have to
worry about IF the product will be available when and if I do purchase
another saw. If the government does not mandate this then I very well may
miss out on the opportunity along with most every one else.
You object to doing what I want you to do, but you have no hesitation in
asking the government to compel me to do what you want me to do.
You want to retain the choice of when to buy a $aw$top. But you don't want
other people to be allowed the same choice you want for yourself.
You're a hypocrite.
Doug Miller (alphageek-at-milmac-dot-com)
Save the baby humans - stop partial-birth abortion NOW
Boy... so yours is the openion that should be observed and not mine...
Living in a free country entitles the citizens to voice their views... I
value yours and mine.
That is the American way .... I believe.. Perhaps if those people that are
sick and tired of those people that are getting things passes by the
government were to push back a little harder, things might be more to your
My spell checker has a mind if it own..... Some time I have to misspell a
word 6 or 7 times to get it to accept it... ;~)
Opinion...... I think I hit Accept all instead of correct all...
Good night... I think.
Yes, they are, Leon. Your opinions and the opinions of others who
believe the same way you do steer government every day. As you
mention later in this letter, though, your opinion won't individually
sway the final decision on this matter. That's why I'm going to take
some sound advice you've offered in your reply...I'm going to try to
ignore anything else about Sawstop in this group after I send this
reply, and I'm going to spend my time making sure that my voice is
heard where it may do some good. One thing I think I'll do is contact
tool manufacturers to try to find out if there's a good reason that
they have not chosen to install Sawstop on at least some saws, rather
than relying on others' statements that they've heard certain
rationales. Maybe there's a problem with the technology that none of
us even know about.
Damn ,can't I put in a wish list like any
Leon, that's really the crux of all debate, isn't it? Obviously, each
of us believes that the other's opinion is not entirely valid --
otherwise, we would have nothing to argue about. My main problem with
the opinion you have expressed in this debate is that you seem to be a
bit selfish in your thinking on this issue...you think that mandating
Sawstop is a good idea, not because it is good for the country, not
because it is a solid governmental decision, but because it will
ensure the availability of the technology when purchasing it is more
convenient to you. I find that to be a disturbing reason to advocate
governmental interference in the free market.
I also think that your argument has caused you to make some rather
hypocritical comments, and I think it weakens your own arguments about
why we should welcome Sawstop no matter what. Let me break down one
of your main arguments:
You have advocated Sawstop as so necessary that you think the federal
government should get involved to ensure its survival. You have
stated that this device is so valuable that we should not have any
problem spending our money on it. In fact, you told me, "Family
should always come first and taking care of your self in the shop
helps you and your family. A price cannot really be put on you [sic]
ability to provide income for your family." However, in the same
reply that you included that statement, we established that you are
absolutely unwilling to part with "in excess of $1,000" to purchase
this safety feature.
Apparently, Leon, you have put a price on your safety and your ability
to provide income for your family. Maybe that price is only valid so
long as you think that the government will bail out Sawstop and ensure
the availability of the technology for your later purchase. I'm not
sure. I don't really know you. But I do know that I can't respect
your argument that the safety afforded by Sawstop is priceless, so
much so that I should want the federal government to intervene
essentially on the company's behalf, so long as you demonstrate by
your own actions and words that you do not think it is priceless.
By the way, Leon...notice I said I could not respect your argument.
Since you seem to be getting a bit angry at the constant arguments
against your way of thinking in these threads, I want to clarify. I
didn't say I could not respect you...I don't know you. Maybe I would
respect you if I knew you, maybe I wouldn't. I simply cannot respect
the argument you've put forth in these threads.
E-mail me at eryan /at/ qconline /dot/ com
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