That is exactly what I meant by waiting for facts. How do you know it was
pure luck? Is there even such a thing as luck? How do you know there was
flying bullets? How many shots were fired? Could be shooter No 1 waited
until there was no one else in range. We don't know that and yet you say it
was pure luck. I don't believe it.
There were 2 shooters who shot each other dead. That's really the only
relevant facts that I know. (Yes, they were provoked by their wives, or
whatever the relationships were). In such a case I think it is indeed
pure luck that eithere only 2 shots were fired, or all the other shots (I
don't know the number fired) went either totally in the object of each
shooter or completely wide of anyone.
What I'd like to see is a significant portion of a mob arrested and hit with
really severe fines or imprisonment appropriate to the crime and then have
their pictures and names plastered in the local newspaper. Not five or six
arrests like usually happens, but 100-200 arrests, enough to make people
think twice about using mob mentality to steal or destroy.
Well, the UK has, I am told, more security cameras per head of population,
than any other country in the world but we still have many problems.
Due to "human rights" it seems the thugs have more rights than the
victims. There seem to be regular reports in the newspapers of public
spirited people trying to make a stand and being banged up by the courts
while the offenders get off scot free. We, as householders, have no rights
to protect our property and can do little in self defence.
I don't have a problem with cameras but I do object to UK government plans
to monitor all internet traffic.
I'm not surprised. Years ago, when I lived the UK (early 60's), it was
always surprising to me that when anyone was stopped on the street, one of
the two 'Bobbies' who did the stopping would walk off a few yards with his
walkie-talkie, and, in two minutes knew who owned your house, what you paid
in taxes, whether your telly license was up to date, where you worked, how
much you made, and what your blood type was.
Still, since my oldest daughter is married to a POME and lives in Sheffield,
I am partial to the country. :)
You guys always seem to be about 5 to 10 years ahead of us in cultural and
social issues, both good and bad, from TV programs to privacy issues.
Besides, there is nothing more pitiful/shameful on earth than the piss poor
attempts our TV industry makes to mimic even the BBC's programming.
But ... do us a favor and try to keep that sharia bullshit on that side of
Is that one of these?
POME Palm Oil Mill Effluent
POME Prisoner Of Mother England
POME Product Of My Environment
POME Philosophy of Mathematics Education (journal)
POME Point of Market Entry
POME Point of Main Effort
POME Principles of Motion Economy
POME Prisoner of Her Majesty of England
Yeah, well it's up here in Canada and has been approved in one or more
places from what I've heard. And, I too think that it's out of place
alongside Canadian law. I don't profess to know the finer details about
Sharia law, but every time I read or hear about it, the topic seems to be
something to do with a woman getting ripped off in some way.
While agreeing that the behaviour of the mob was reprehensible, vile and
displayed the sort of savage disregard for fellow mankind that one might
expect from a pack of rabid dogs, one cannot help but wonder at the social
"norm" that helped precipitate the event. The deliberate engineering of a
competitive "me, me, me first!!" greediness in having a "sale" where a few
items are tangled as bait before a dammed-up wall of wound-up, starting
tape-tearing consumers is every bit as much to blame as the low-life savages
who succumbed to it.
The store's policy is tantamount to incitement to riot and deserves censure
at best. What do they expect when they pull stunts like dangling raw meat
over the heads of a pack of starving wolves for several days, letting it be
known that _only_ the first , fastest, highest jumping wolf will actually get
People - "the people of today" - just aren't that clever or evolved. They
watch reality T.V. They subscribe to political correctness. With the
stripping away of the currently defined "civilization" facade, they bay for
gladiatorial blood or shovel other people into gas ovens for a popular ideal.
They believe in things which are provably untrue and are willing to put to
death anyone who will not accept their ludicrous superstitions. They steal
from other people, attack total strangers purely to enjoy the experience and
drive motor vehicles with total disregard for the comfort and safety of
anyone outside the vehicle. They are savage, brutal and oftentimes only held
in check by fear of reprisals for not conforming to the acceptable norm.
This, among all the compassion, selfless love and splendid and glorious stuff
which balances it out, is the ever-present dark side of the contemporary
human condition. How can we, with impunity, provoke such humankind with
tantalizing evil such as these first-past-the-post "sales" where the
combatants have been psyched-up to believe that the stakes are so damned
We can't. We can't play exploitative games like this and shirk the
consequences. What has happened is the inevitable result of the deliberate,
cynical manipulation of consumers into a competitive position. It will happen
again unless this consumerist model is rethought to accommodate the
volatility of the manipulated resource. Wal-Mart and similar concerns must
reassess their entire strategy and, if they still wish to entertain shoppers
with a competitive element in the hunting and killing of seasonal bargains,
then they must do it in a way that cannot engender physical aggression.
Yes, the people surging into the store were stupid, savage animals but it was
the store's poorly conceived hysteria-raising crowd-damming manipulating of
them that made them that way. Wal-Mart are as much the killers here as
On Mon, 1 Dec 2008 02:42:30 +0000, Ed Pawlowski wrote
It's next to the bits that say that in order to be accepted/admired by your
a slight edge or
school door in a military
limited options... (C,P,J,X,Y,Z...)
and many, many more things that are not actually written down but
nevertheless are "rules." Some are very loose and need only be followed by
those seeking some sort of alpha or celebrity status, Close behind are those
which to transgress would only have you labelled as "uncool" or "unusual"
in some way. Disregarding others would maybe have you considered as
"harmlessly eccentric" and maybe regarded more or less suspiciously. Yet
others would be very dangerous not to go along with. A lot depends on where
(and when) you are and whom you're with.
This stuff doesn't have to be written down. It still provides leverage on
I agree that nowhere does it say that man must be a sheep, herded by market
forces, manipulated by the marketing industry and driven by advertising to
consume or behave in a certain way - but look around you and tell me it ain't
necessarily so. Were it not, we would not have seen the tragedy that kicked
this thread off.
Look around you and tell me people are _really_ free.
I really wish you could.
Doctors vs. Gun owners
(A) The number of physicians in the U.S. is 700,000.
(B) Accidental deaths caused by Physicians per year are 120,000.
(C) Accidental deaths per physician is 0.171.
Statistics courtesy of U.S. Dept of
Health and Human Services.
Now think about this:
(A) The number of gun owners in the U.S. is 80,000,000.
(Yes, that's 80 million)
(B) The number of accidental gun deaths per year, all age groups,is 1,500.
(C) The number of accidental deaths per gun owner is .000188.
Statistics courtesy of FBI
So,statistically, doctors are approximately
9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners.
REMEMBER, GUNS DON'T KILL PEOPLE - DOCTORS DO
FACT: NOT EVERYONE HAS A GUN, BUT ALMOST EVERYONE HAS AT LEAST ONE DOCTOR.
Please alert your friends to this alarming threat.
We must ban doctors before this gets completely out of hand!!!!!
Out of concern for the public at large,
I withheld the statistics on lawyers
for fear the shock would cause people to panic and seek medical attention!
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