replying to Scott Lurndal, Iggy wrote:
It is entirely possible. But, you also may be also seeing just the 2nd layer. A
2-layer Fire-Rated Assembly usually is required to start-out vertical (for
air-sealing) and the 2nd layer is required to be either perpendicular or fully
offset to the first. Again, it may not be the case, I'm just saying as an FYI.
On Tuesday, October 31, 2017 at 9:44:05 AM UTC-5, Iggy wrote:
So, what you are saying is the companies that make drywall sheets, the manu
facturers of drywall, are F---ing stupid and DO NOT know how to hang the dr
ywall they have spent millions of dollars building plants to manufacture it
. Do you know drywall comes in 8, 10, 12, 16 foot lengths. And 4, 4.5, 5
foot widths. Why would a drywall manufacturer make these sizes? Most hous
es in the USA have 8 foot high walls. And 10 to 20 foot wall lengths. So
by using two 4 foot wide drywall sheets and various lengths, its easy to co
ver a wall horizontally. And now days 9 foot and 10 foot walls are getting
very common. So drywall manufacturers make 4.5 and 5 foot wide drywall sh
eets. Use two of them horizontally to cover a wall from floor to ceiling.
Go to any drywall retailer and you will find lots of 4x12 and 4x16 drywall
sheets. How many walls in a house are 12 or 16 feet tall? Most are 8 feet
high. So you can easily stack two 4 foot wide sheets of whatever length h
orizontally and cover a wall.
Your vertical hanging rant is akin to saying NASA doesn't have a F---ing cl
ue how to launch rockets into space. Yes NASA can build and manufacture go
od rockets to get into space. But they are stupid on the launching aspect.
You know how to launch rockets. You know the right way is to shoot them
into the ground so they come out the other side of the earth. That's the r
ight way to do it.
replying to russellseaton1, Iggy wrote:
No, the manufacturers know very well that Vertical's the only right way. They
even make their products specifically for Vertical. If they made it for
horizontal, they'd taper only 1 edge and both ends, so there's never a
butt-joint and never any Carpenter and Painter screwing bevels.
But, the idiots of the world keep training more idiots. So, the manufacturers
just said "hey we can make more money off these fools", after DECADES they
finally stooped to the horizontal level with 4.5' and 5' wide sheets.
And absolutely not, horizontal is not faster. As soon as horizontals have to do
butt-joints, they're spending 4-times the time on them...4-times the mud too. I
know its not easy to accept, but you really have to try it.
Sorry, I can't get into the ISS, NASA, GPS, Voyager, String Theory, Big Bang,
Diamond Rain, Ball Earth or the Moon and Mars here. Post a question on
Homeowners Hub for that bevy of nonsense.
On Tuesday, October 31, 2017 at 8:14:06 AM UTC-4, Iggy wrote:
Why did you pick out that one item? Why did you snip the rest of your list?
The discussion was about drywall vs. paneling, not about one method of hanging drywall
vs. another. Your list of reasons of why paneling is better then drywall is what I find humorous.
replying to Ed Pawlowski, Iggy wrote:
Yepper, another year of failure in trying to save the world. It's really amazing
that the word "except" hasn't very simply been corrected to "especially" in
10-years. I got nowhere with any of the manufacturers nor the ASTM. They just
don't see a problem with completely abandoning their own air-tight requirement.
On Mon, 30 Oct 2017 15:10:38 -0700, Electric Comet
Lath and plaster is BY FAR the most expensive, the most work, and the
most mess. Panelling is "so 70s" - definitely simple and cheap if you
buy cheap panelling, and is generally NOT fire rated, so cannot
legally be used in many places without putting drywall up first (no
sanding required) - and drywall is "generally" more damage resistant
than most "panelling"
On Monday, October 30, 2017 at 5:10:41 PM UTC-5, Electric Comet wrote:
Drywall is fast. I think it became the norm during the 1950s and the post
WW2 housing boom. A couple guys could drywall, finish the interior, of an
entire house in a couple days and the house was done!!! Kind of like why c
arpet became the norm too. Easy and quick to install flooring in the whole
house in a few hours!!! You're done! When you are building 100 houses a
year or more, being able to do things quickly and still look good or at lea
st OK, is important. And as important, the skill level is not that high.
No offense to anyone here, but you do not need a high school degree to pain
t walls, hang drywall, trowel mud, or install carpet. All things that crea
te the finish you see in houses today. Not much thinking required. As for
replacing lath and plaster. Have you ever seen old time lath and plaster?
Wooden strips overlapped and nailed on the wall and filled with lots and
lots of mud plaster. Lot of work involved. Much easier to screw a 4'x8' s
heet of drywall to the wall. Or 4x12 or 4x16 sheet. I think drywall comes
in 4.5 and 5 foot widths too. You can cover a hell of a lot of area in mi
nutes with drywall. Boom. Done. Kind of like using a roller instead of a
paint brush to paint a wall. Drywall is damned efficient.
i have seen wood lath and metal lath like a coarse screen put it on
with a staple hammer in very little time
i imagine now they can spray on the plaster but maybe it is the finish
that is the hard part
but they may have solved that problem too with advanced materials
in other words it flows on easier and behaves uniformly
it does not seem that efficient to me with all the steps involved just
to get to the paint stage
On Monday, October 30, 2017 at 9:16:19 PM UTC-5, J. Clarke wrote:
"once"? Ha ha ho ho. I've drywalled a few rooms and many walls over the y
ears. It is damned efficient to hang drywall. Full 4x8 foot sheets cover
32 square feet. Four on a wall and the whole wall is covered. 30-60 minut
es later you are done hanging and taping and spreading the first coat of mu
d. Wait a day and smooth and apply the second mud coat in a few minutes.
Wait another day and smooth and apply a finish third mud coat. Smooth it a
day later and your are ready to paint. You might have 2-3-4 hours of tota
l time in drywalling and taping and mudding an entire room. Pros of course
can probably hang and apply the first coat of mud in under a day to an ent
ire house, including the ceilings. Drywall is cheap and efficient!!! Hous
e builders LOVE it for those reasons. And it makes a good looking wall whe
n done too.
On Mon, 30 Oct 2017 22:11:02 -0500, Unquestionably Confused
If they could spray it on and do it quickly, efficiently, and
cheaply, it would be done on every house. They can't, so it isn't.
Even stuccoing or parging is labour intensive - and it's a LOT simpler
than plastering. Getting a perfectly smooth and straight plaster
finisg is EXTREMELY difficult work.
On Mon, 30 Oct 2017 18:39:48 -0700, Electric Comet
You have obviously never platered.
You put on the lath, either wood, mesh, or GtpRoc, then you apply the
"scratch coat " and let it dry, then you apply the finish coat - and
if you think THAT is easy --- Well - let's just say the reason lath
and plaster has gone almost entirely from thehomebuilding industry is
there is virtually no-one left under 70 who knows how to do it, or is
willing to learn to do it properly. It is a skill - an art, and a
science, all rolled into one. It is NOT simple, and it is NOT fast -
and it most definitely is NOT CHEAP!!!
With current state of the art materials and equipment, a house can be
totally rocked in one day, and totally taped and mudded in another day
- ready for priming. A good mudder/taper can get the finish coat on
smooth enough it virtually does not need sanding if the primer is put
on with a texture gun - makes the wall finish just a WEE bit gtainy -
not silky smooth like plaster or sanded drywall compound.
With airless spraying, getting a whole house primed takes a matter of
hours, not days.
The pros are FAST!!! (which translates to pretty darn cheap compared
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