Christian right (CR) is locked in. I was hopeful that Guliani would win
for the Reps because he wouldn't pull as much of the CR.
Former preacher as Pres? "Wall of Separation" between church and state????
Quite. There was a newspaper story about him holding up a disaster relief
his state for a month because he refused to accept inclusion of the ancient
phrase "act of god".
Add that to another one that pointed out his interference in the parole
a violent felon whom he had prayed with. Though he denies instructing board
what to do in this case, they refute him. After the criminal got out, he did
a murder which
checking may show also involved a rape.
Check your constititution, no "wall of separation" between church and
state is even remotely mentioned. The idea is patently absurd as it would
require people elected to office to operate in a manner inconsistent with
What the constitution does say is that "Congress shall make no law
regarding the establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise
thereof" Pretty straightforward
If you're going to be dumb, you better be tough
Agreed... I'm not pushing for any one candidate jsut yet. I want to see
what floats to the top or sinks to the bottom at this point... But... The
separation of church and state was to keep the state out of the church, not
the other way around... Morals and concience are based on religion for many
people. Remove the religion and you might as well have a free-for-all
because there is no long term accountability beyond the human aspect of
You missed the point during your sarcastic reply. If there are no long term
consequences or higher moral standards for people to follow, many would
degrade into selfish, self-serving oxygen theives under (and maybe even
without) the infleunce of power. Why do you think that congress / the
government is so corrupt? There are no real consequences for them other
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You speaking for yourself here, Joe? If you lost your faith
tomorrow could we count on you to launch a crime spree against the rest
of the citizenry? What I hear you saying Joe is that your religion is
the only thing keeping you out of prison or off of death row.
I don't know any non-believers, Joe, that have ever been arrested,
much less convicted. In fact, I would venture that more crimes against
humainty have been cmmitted in the name of god that just about about any
other motive save money. And religion generates no shortage of money
motives by itself.
Not necessarily me... Althought there are some oxygen theives I might just
go after. <grin>
I'm not so sure I'd be comfortable grouping those who do things in the name
of God as those who actually have a healthy religious base... But this is
going way OT... I'm gonna back out for two reasons:
1. Preserve the newsgroup
2. I don't have time to answer this stuff as quickly as it should be.
e-mail me privately and I'll gladly discuss it in detail. Personally, I
think violence on a grand scale has been perpetrated by those with no belief
in a God more often than by those with a belief system in place.
Agreed ... formula below:
(Ignorance of Adam Smith capitalism with moral base/"economic man" as moral
man) + (Law school curriculums blurring distinction between morality and
legality) + (lawyer politician/lawmakers) + (corporate greed) = (Corrupt,
morally and economically bankrupt, culture)
Tis an age-old argument.
Is man inherently good or inherently evil?
I opt for good. Most people left free to make their own decisions
avoid hurting other people. People will argue and fight with each
other, but it takes a believe in a higher authority (e.g. fascism,
communism, or religion) to get them to unite in mass murder.
Rwanda was originally proffered to dispel the silly point Fred attempted to
I don't know whom these enlightened people are but I'd think the problem
lies a bit closer to home......anything short of overwhelming exterior force
require local participants to make the right choices.....akin to the drug
addict or the alcoholic, recovery starts within. Rod
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