nobody ever said what you are claiming they say... the dems arent saying
its fine, and what clinton did or didnt do is irrelevant. they are saying
the bush solution will not work. they are right.
why do you conservatives have to make stuff up to support your views? if
liberals are mentally disabled, then what is the excuse of the 'sane'
conservatives for lying? i mean, you claim to be sane, so your deception
must be purposeful.
| Privatization is the only way to keep the polititians hands
| your money ...............unless you are one of those Democrat
| who believe that SS should be a re-distribution of wealth
You mean privatization as in Enron, Worldcom, Arthur Andersen?
How about Silverado Savings and Loan (remember this one, managed
by no other than -- Neil Bush) and the other private managers who
brought us the Savings and Loan Scandal (for which we're still
Maybe there's a reason why the neocons have worked so diligently
and so long to try to turn the word "liberal" into blasphemy in
the public mind (have you bought into the deception?).
Why not trust our money to the former head of the New York Stock
Exchange, Richard Grasso? Or Carly Fiorina?
Why exactly should we believe that for-profit funds managers will
be more honest than the government?
I notice that Global Crossing is absent from your list. Remember, that's
the company that Terry Mcaulife (you know the former head of the whole
Democrat party) used to turn $100,000 into $18,000,000. And don't forget
Madison Savings and Loan, run by the Clintons' business partners Jim and
You're kidding, right? "More honest than the government" is a pretty low
hurdle. The fact is, none of the companies on your list are mutual fund
companies that would likely be involved in SS money. I tell you what...you
go find someone who pays into a retirement system and doesn't pay into SS
that wants into SS. The fact is that the government took all of the money
paid in from SS taxes and spent it on something else. If all I expect of a
financial company is to be more honest than that, they should be easy to
don't let me, the "robin hood" cowboy ever get in charge of things, or the
rich bastards will finally pay their fair share, I don't care if it means a
99% top tax rate
I would divide all the land in the world by the number of people, and
everyone would get their 20 acres or whatever.
It's God's land, he will punish Ted Turner and the other evildoers for
trying to own millions of acres of it and keeping people off of God's
due to the nature of my job, I have gotten to know hundreds of millionaires
personally, and I can say that the ones who earned it honestly, and not by
exploitation of others and not through inheritance and luck and greed and
crookedness, I can count on one hand. Not a very good percentage, like 1 or
Jesus despised the wealthy of his day, the "moneychangers" at the temple
Jesus said the meek shall inherit the earth, and that rich men won't be
going to heaven, and boy it is easy to see why!
the barefoot cowboy bluesman
(barefoot! - like Jesus)
Sounds like you're more bent on vengeance than equity or problem-solving
so your voice has little merit outside of the shallow edge of the
opinion pool. Ted Turner? Is that the worst case example you could
come up with to make your point? Maybe he should share his lithium
treatments with you.
| don't let me, the "robin hood" cowboy ever get in charge of
things, or the
| rich bastards will finally pay their fair share, I don't care
if it means a
| 99% top tax rate
| I would divide all the land in the world by the number of
| everyone would get their 20 acres or whatever.
| It's God's land, he will punish Ted Turner and the other
| trying to own millions of acres of it and keeping people off of
| due to the nature of my job, I have gotten to know hundreds of
| personally, and I can say that the ones who earned it honestly,
and not by
| exploitation of others and not through inheritance and luck and
| crookedness, I can count on one hand. Not a very good
percentage, like 1 or
| 2 %
| Jesus despised the wealthy of his day, the "moneychangers" at
| Jesus said the meek shall inherit the earth, and that rich men
| going to heaven, and boy it is easy to see why!
| the barefoot cowboy bluesman
| (barefoot! - like Jesus)
Seems like there's some folks practicing the "reverse Robin Hood
principle." and a few too many who have been hoodwinked to
believe that this is the pinnacle of ethics.
Dunno about Ted Turner -- I haven't heard about this. I'm glad
that you've met at least a few millionaires who are decent --
it's nice to know that it's not all black out there.
"Moneychangers" = lobbyists? This is our
I don't understand how people can encourage and facilitate greed
and also claim to follow Jesus.
Would anyone care to explain this paradox?
everyone gets so up in arms when anyone mentions anything about 'stealing
from the rich' in this country. i think its only fair to point out how MOST
of them got that way. not ferrari rich mind you. im talking change federal
law rich. applying the 'third grade' standard to most of these people, and
its clear they have lied and cheated to get there. if they were third
graders they would be standing in the corner. but because they're
'capitalists' we say its ok?
its not ok steven. no. the conservatives WANT everyone to go back to bed.
so they can get back to their business as usual. selling water to a nation
Speaking of Social Security, how about the topic of identity theft that
is now exploding. Would the adoption of a 3 or 4 digit 'pin number' to
everyone's social security number help in preventing identity theft?
I/e/ a number that SS would assign to everyone, and it could be used as
a final identity checker that would only be typed in like we now do
with credit card and atm accounts when at the store, or the extra 3
digits on back of credit cards. If someone discovered the pin number
thru fraud or whatever, you could go in person to soc security office
and provide enough information to have it reset to a new number. And
when someone tried to open new accounts under your social security
number, they would be required to know that 4-digit code. Why don't I
hear anyone talking about a solution to this problem instead of the
same old crap about shredding up your bills etc. while the problem just
I'll do you one better: how 'bout an electronic card with a digital
readout that changes the card number every few minutes?
Such a thing is possible and has been used for quite awhile to provide
an ever-changing password to users of some high-security computer
systems. It works by changing the password every few minutes so that any
compromised password will only be valid for a couple of minutes. Don't
know why such a scheme couldn't work with credit cards and SS cards.
IMHO, the use of the Social Security number for any non-governmental
purpose should be banned at this point. The problems that are now
surfacing related to the use of this number have been known and ignored
Back in the late seventies, I attended a garage sale that was been put
on by members of an outlaw motorcycle gang. Their club had been recently
raided by the cops (possession of illegal weapons, I think it was), and
they were trying to raise money to pay some of their legal bills.
The club had a pretty nice console that I bought from them at the sale.
When I started dismantling the set for cleaning I discovered that two of
the chassis mount bushings were missing (probably rotted away) and
someone had propped up one side of the chassis with a tattered paperbook
book to compensate.
That book was from some underground publisher and it was all about how
to assume a new identity. It was a fascinating read....I read it from
cover to cover without putting it down once. Although I never tried any
of the techniques in the book, I had little doubt that they would
About three-quarters of the way through it it dawned on me that the same
techniques could just as easily be used to assume someone else's
identity as well. That was kind of a warning shot over the bow for me.
Ever since that time I have made it a golden rule never to give my
correct SSN to anyone who didn't have an absolute need to know. This has
created some problems for me in the past, particularly with insurance
companies who insisted on using my SSN as a policy ID number. (One of
these companies would send me correspondence with the policy number
right on the front of the envelope-insane!)
Nowadays, most of these folks have wised up and adopted a different
numbering scheme not tied to the social security number, but widespread
non-official use of it persists nonetheless. What a mess, what a mess.
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