OT: Ceiling lamp install

[DerbyDad03]

No thanks. I'll just walk down the stairs and look.

[Scott Lurndal]

Do not do that.

Use a voltmeter to test the leads.

[Markem618]

One time was fixing the plumbing for the washer, wanted to move the outlet box, there was another circuit in the box. We have fuses, rather than pull fuses, I shorted out the wires blew the fuse. If I had pulled fuses to figure it probably would have been the last one that I would have pulled, was the furnace.

[krw]

If it happened to you or I, do you think "I didn't know it was loaded" would be a plausible defense?

Baldwin is a big anti-gunner. Do you think he wants to know the first thing about what he hates? ...but when there's money to be made, it's all good.

What I meant is that live rounds shouldn't allowed be within blocks of the set. It can't hurt anyone if it's not there. Plinking out back during a break is another failure in the chain. The producer is on the hook for that on. I can see a lot of lawyers getting rich on this one.

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[krw]

That's a problem. There is no reason that a prop gun couldn't be a smaller caliber. I was talking to a cow-orker who used to work with another company making targets for the military. They had normal guns with solid barrels. It's not hard to machine one. I live bullet would make a mess but at least it's the n*****ts who fired the gun who becomes the mess.

.223/5.56 NATO

[krw]

Never heard of CPR? ;-)

[krw]

Pulling your hand back is a good thing but certainly not the worst thing that can happen. AC tends to send you on your butt. DC clamps the hand and doesn't let the reflex send you on your butt. AC will cause fibrillation, which isn't good either. The best option is two hands behind the back. If that's not possible, at least one. ;-)

[krw]

AND GET OFF MY LAWN!

[krw]

Voltmeters often give a false positive (at least it's a positive). Use a circuit test light instead. Use the right tool for the job.

[Markem618]

Neither were possible checking the voltage on the gun on a F-4, 351 dc, if it was raining you were going to get shocked, if it was not raining you probably got shocked 50% of the time.

[Beeper]

Oh, don't go down that rabbit hole... [many ;-)]

"5.56 vs .223: What?s the Difference? Does it Matter?"

[krw]

I've read dozens of these articles. The bottom line is that they're different but "close enough".

.38 and .357 aren't exactly identical, either. ...about as similar as a 2.5" 12Ga. shell and a 3" shell. One works in the other, the other doesn't work in one. 5.56 and .223 are a lot more similar than the others mentioned here.

[krw]

I had a Ham transmitter - 750VDC. Stick your hand where it shouldn't be and you *did* get shocked. Fortunately, when I did it I was poking around with a screwdriver but it still hurt like hell.

[krw]

One who make widgets out of wood.

I was thinking more of construction tasks but even plumbing repairs. I don't know any who aren't either contractors of some sort, or woodworkers (I forgot metal workers).

I don't know any who would even tackle tile (with the right tools, easy, IMO).

They would be a woodworker if they did. ;-)

It's very different IME.

Offensive is in the eye of the beholder. I don't buy wokeism. Some in another group (not Usenet) object to SWMBO. Whatever.

[krw]

I'm not sure what Leon said that you're objecting to then.

[Beeper]

More like "GET OUT OF MY SANDBOX!" I will state that Leon seems to have a reasonable and pragmatic sense of humor.

[Clare Snyder]

No , thousands of electricians have been shocked. Some seriously - and have survived. Numerous electricians have been electrocuted and their hearts have spontaneously restarted or spontaneously defibrillated Many more have been recesitated.

Electrocution by definition involves the stopping of the heart by external electrical impulse. Sending the heart into fibrillation has the same effect as stopping the heart as it no longer pumps blood. Recesitation by an external defibrillator or by heart massage or CPR can often bring an electrocuted person back to life if started soon enough.

My wife was a coronary care nursing specialist and my Dad was an electrician.

[Clare Snyder]

From the free dictionary

e·lec·tro·cute (i-lek'tr?-kyo?ot') tr.v. e·lec·tro·cut·ed, e·lec·tro·cut·ing, e·lec·tro·cutes

1. To kill with electricity: a worker who was electrocuted by a high-tension wire.
2. To execute (a person sentenced to death) by means of electricity.

From Merriam Webster: Definition of electrocute transitive verb

1: to kill or severely injure by electric shock

From the Cambridge Dictionary: electrocute verb [ T often passive ] UK /i'lek.tr?.kju?t/ US /i'lek.tr?.kju?t/ to kill someone by causing electricity to flow through their body: He was electrocuted when he touched the bare wires.

from

electrocute (redirected from electrocuted) Also found in: Dictionary, Thesaurus. Related to electrocuted: electric shock e·lec·tro·cute (e-lek'tro-kyut), To cause death by the passage of an electric current through the body. [electro- + execute]

From Wikidiff

As verbs the difference between electrocute and shock. is that electrocute is to cause death from immediate complications resulting from electric shock while shock is to cause to be emotionally shocked

also:

· Electrocution, in its traditional meaning, requires death. Electrocution was always a fatal event. Otherwise, it was merely a bad shock. The word electrocute was coined in 1889, according to Etymonline.com, and meant ?to execute by electricity.?.

and:

Lester AH Critchley, in Oh's Intensive Care Manual (Seventh Edition),

2014

Epidemiology Most cases of electrocution occur either in the workplace (about 60%) or at home (about 30%).6 Most data on the incidence of electrocution come from North America, though significant regional differences exist worldwide. Children under 6 years are most at risk from domestic electrocution, but with greater electrical safety awareness and the use of ground fault circuit interrupters (GFCIs), the oral burns once seen from chewing power cords are much less common.7 Young adult Caucasian men are the most likely victims of electrocution in the workplace. Power-lines and electrified railway tracks are the most common causes of high-voltage injuries.

Al;so One amp is approximately 6 million trillion electrons in a second. This flow of electrons is what causes tissue or nervous system damage. Each one of those electrons going through a body either heat and burn tissues or obstruct fundamental electrical signals, for example, those that cause a heart to beat.

The latter phenomenon is the reason an electric shock over a specific amperage will make your muscles tighten and make letting go of the current source unfeasible. Being unable to let go of the current source due to a live wire is known as a tetanic contraction.

More relevant information:

While any amount of current over 10 milliamps (0.01 amp) is capable of producing painful to severe shock, currents between 100 and 200 mA (0.1 to 0.2 amp) are lethal. Currents above 200 milliamps (0.2 amp), while producing severe burns and unconsciousness, do not usually cause death if the victim is given immediate attention.

How much voltage is required? Ohms Law

A rough value for the internal resistance of the human body is

300-1,000 Ohms. Naturally, the resistance also depends on the path that electricity takes through the body - if the electricity goes in the left hand and out the right foot, then the resistance will be much higher than if it goes in and out of adjacent fingers.

Lots of information about electrical resistance of the body and what voltages can be lethat at

20 volts DC is generally accepted as being safe but under the right conditions it CAN kill you!!! I know I've gotten VERY PAINFULL shocks from 24 volt electrical systems - and NOT involving any inductance or reactance. (sweaty hands and wet feet were involved working on a bulldozer in a swamp!!!!

[Leon]

Your should stick around! You should fit right in. ;~)

I often sound like I am jumping some one but if you see LOL or smiley faces, with my comments, it is usually me being all ironical.

[Leon]

Copy? Paste much? :~)

FWIW almost every dictionary had a slightly different definition.