OT bad experience today

[Dave Hinz]

Just don't forget, unless you're a chilihead. Might wreck the bottle as well...

[Charles Spitzer]

a trick that motorcyclists use is to slow down a little. the dog will time and aim their approach at your slow speed. when they're fairly close, speed up then. the dog won't be able to adjust in time.

[Eric Ryder]

I think the Marines would then grab the dog by his balls from the inside?

[Larry Blanchard]

As a motorcyclist off and on for fifty years, I'd say you left out a step.

When the dog approaches, brake sharply to get behind him. THEN speed up, planting a large boot on his butt. I've never had to do it twice.

[Doug Miller]

I was faced with that once -- unable to speed up fast enough to outrun the dog. I'm sure my top speed was higher than his, but he had superior acceleration, and I could see he would catch me. Fortunately, there was a car coming. I waited until it was almost too late, then crossed the road in front of the car. The dog had two options: abandon the chase, or be hit by the car. It selected the former. The driver of the car was none too happy with me, but that was, at the moment, not very high on my list of concerns. :-)

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[Charlie Self]

Eric Ryder notes:

You may not have the rifle, or there may be too many others around for it to be used. But you grab the lungs from the inside. Grabbing the balls from the inside is too much of a stretch, in every way. :)

Charlie Self "The really frightening thing about middle age is that you know you'll grow out of it." Doris Day

[Fred the Red Shirt]

Probably depends on availability.

If the dog is an unneutered male, grasping his testicles firmly and lifting his hindquarters off the ground would probably be effective, though that particular manouver is easier when the dog is biting someone else.

Keep in mind that muscles which open an animals mouth are quite weak compared to those that close it. It is easy to snap a dog's mouth shut by striking it with an upward blow on the chin. With luck, the dog will bite its own tongue. It is not hard to grasp a dog by the muzzle and hold his mouth shut--until he starts shaking his head. But that can buy you a moment or two to gouge his eyes or kick him in the throat or the underbelly below the ribcage.

If you can't stop the dog from biting then personally, I'd rather give the dog my forearm than my hand because even if he breaks my arm that's probably easier to fix than a mangled hand. Whichever he has hold of, I'd then try to use it to raise his head so that I could kick his throat or the underbelly below the ribcage. If I couldn't raise him enough to get to his throat I'd gouge his eyes with my other hand. Unless I just happened to have a Stanley #8 in my other hand, but that is someone else's story.

As others have pointed out, the best strategy to stave off any attack by facing the dog down with attitude.

[Lobby Dosser]

[e-mail] (Fred the Red Shirt) wrote in news: [e-mail]:

I hafta ask. How do you kick it in the throat while holding its mouth shut?

[Robert Galloway]

Well, I can't disagree but I have to ask, do Rottweilers, as a breed have aggressive instincts? I've never seen any aggression out of this guys dogs but then I haven't been around a large number of Rotts.

bob g. btw, statistically, German Shepherds account for the largest number of emergency room visits for dog bites. Statistic doesn't mean a lot by itself. Maybe they c>

[Peter De Smidt]

I like Rottweilers very much, although I've never had one. At our dog park, though, there are two rotties that are a very big problem. Both are un-neutered males. One's about 150lbs., and one's 135lbs. Both are very aggressive towards other large dogs. The big one will shoulder butt and growl at another dog until the other dog has had enough and retaliates, which is exactly what the rottie wants. The other one will pin other dogs and not let them up. He will stand over the other dog growling, and when the other dog tries to get up, the rottie will force the poor dog back down. The owner's think that their dogs should by rights be able to do these things. They're "just being dogs." My vet once commented that she makes a pretty good living sewing up dogs "just being dogs." I don't know how representative this behavior is. As I said at first, I know a number of very fine rotties.

-Peter De Smidt

[Robert Galloway]

[Bob Peterson]

rotts are probably the worst dogs for attacking, largely due to horrid training techniques by their owners. many so called dog trainers ought to be sued just once for what they are doing, and anyone stupid enough to try and self train a Rott needs a good lawsuit as well.

OTOH, properly trained they are good dogs, but need close supervision and a lot of interaction with the family. they are very poor choices as outside dogs. if you want a dog that will stay outside most of the time, a Rott is a very bad choice.

[WoodMangler]

Larry Blanchard did say:

On a bicycle, with my shoes clipped into the pedals, doing that would require more dexterity than I can muster.

[WoodMangler]

Charles Spitzer did say:

Might work - If it's a slow dog, and my legs are having a really good day...

[George]

OK, now figure the odds. Chows and Rottweilers are rare compared to Shepherds and Shepherd mixes.

Fatal is mostly a case of large dog/small victim, though one might infer something about the smaller pit-bulls from their ranking. Persistence.

Note, also, that when the dog could avoid the confrontation (unchained) the incidence of bites was 35% of the chained. Of course some dogs _are_ chained because they can't be trusted.

"Lies, damned lies and statistics...."

[Mac Cool]

Mike Marlow:

The wounds from jamming your fist in his mouth will be trivial to the pain from him closing his jaws on some fleshier part of your anatomy. A dog can easily bite all the way through your hand and dog bites hurt like a son of a bitch.

[Mike Marlow]

Again - look at the size of your hand, and then look at most large dogs the next time you get the chance. My thoughts are that you'll never be able to do it. I believe this suggestion is one of those that originated in the mind of someone who has never tried it, more than one that is based on practical knowledge. I have a 100lb plus German Shepherd and I'd personally give anyone $100 if they could jam their fist into his throat. Even if it were possible, I'd pay another hundred to watch the show as that fool tried to keep his hand in there and subdue the dog until he passed out. Hospital bills are the responsibility of the fool that thinks this is going to work and tries it.

[Fred the Red Shirt]

Lift it up by the snout. Then let go and kick. Sort of like punting.

[George]

When I lived in suburbia I used to run Polly, my Borzoi, right along with me. She loved the exercise, and other dogs seemed to have business elsewhere when she went by.

[Lobby Dosser]

WoodMangler wrote in news: [e-mail]:

That's what the pump is for. Works just as good as a boot.