On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 15:09:56 -0500, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Thanks for all the advice. I looked at number of tools and finally
bought a Porter Cable. Drill and battery carries a 3 year warranty.
The Ridig battery warranty sounded good but the drills locally were
hard to find. The few at the big box stores were very pricey.
Well, aside from the fact that my Ni-cads still have usable life in
them, the biggest advantage to Li-ion to me is their lesser weight for
more power. I've got to admit, those Ni-cads powered tools of mine get
pretty heavy awful quick.
I'm predicting ten years for equivalent powered batteries to be about
the size of a thimble.
That raises a good point. Get a set with a Drill and Impact Driver. Not
only is it convenient to have a drill bit in one and a driving bit in the
other, but the impact driver is a really good way to drive screws.
A set of 1/4" hex to socket adapters is useful as well. If you're working
with carriage bolts that are a little long, a deep well socket makes
installing the nut a piece of cake.
I have two of them. Two batteries were the same price as the driver
and the impact driver, so I bought a second pair. This is a steal,
though. For $100, you get two $80 batteries, the drill and a charger.
Nope. Never happen. It is physics, and chemistry. It has to do with the
electrons in the shells that are available to change place and be used as
electricity. Even if you get all of them to change place with 100%
efficiency (which will also never happen) there is a limit to the amount of
charge you can get from a battery.
The guy I was working for had that line of tools. I loved them. The
smaller battery is OK for running some screws in, but for heavy drilling or
sawing, you want the 4000mAh pack, for length of run and higher pull of
amps. Drilled 5/8th holes in 2x pressure treated, and ran portable skill
saws and sawzalls all day long. Never had a lack of power. They also have
a huge line of tools using the same system, all the way up to leaf blowers
and weed eaters, to saws, jigsaws, sawzalls and impact drivers. That is a
huge plus for me. Also have a charging station to charge a bunch of
batteries at one time. You can't go wrong, IMHO. They truly are as tough
as industrial/professional tools.
Now, would I take a Milwaukee line over these? You bet. Not anything else
though, and not if I had to pay for it!
On Friday, June 13, 2014 7:08:12 PM UTC-5, Morgans wrote:
I understand. That's why my old Makita is going nowhere. I know what it w
ill do, how hard it will work, and how dependable it is.
I had not looked at anything Ryobi in too many years to count as I thought
of them as casual user tools, not anything to depend on. Again, if it hadn
't been for my electrician, I still would not have bothered to take a look.
I wouldn't mind a light weight drill though, one that could run up a few s
crews, drill a couple of holes as needed in routine small repairs. I don't
always need to kill an ant with a sledge hammer.
And while the name of Milwaukee has come up, it might interest folks to kno
w the drills are made in the same factory by the same folks that make Ridgi
d. I found this out from the Milwaukee tool rep, confirmed it later with a
nother Milwaukee tool rep, then had it confirmed by the tool specialist wor
king for Home Depot.
On Saturday, June 14, 2014 12:32:09 PM UTC-5, Leon wrote:
Except that Ryobi doesn't build Ryobi. According to the Techtronics Indust
ry of North America, the manufacture (quoting verbatim Jason Swanson, Direc
tor of Communications)Milwaukee, Ryobi, AEG, Ridgid, Dirt Devil, Homelite,
and many more. These names are badges for tools and TIN makes tools << to
the specs >> of the name holder. They also make tools for Craftsman, and ot
hers. Most of these names were bought by holding groups as investments wit
h absolutely no concern wit the quality of the tools they produce.
A quick trio to some of the TIN websites and their affiliates will easily c
onfirm this nasty arrangement. But this also applies to the holding groups
that own Jet, Powermatic, and all the brands of hand tools scooped up by t
he folks that bought Porter Cable, Bosch tools, etc. Although there are no
doubt a few companies that make their own tools now, I don't know of any m
ass produced tools.
I have no doubt that some of the accessories from Ryobi will fit Ridgid and
the other way around. It makes sense; why not have interchangeability for
accessories that provide service for infrequent use? Most professionals b
uy only single use tools, but a homeowner may have occasional use for many
operations that these lightweight accessories would be a perfect fit. I ha
ve to say after looking at HD this morning I didn't see any interchangeable
accessories for the respective hand drill lines.
I learn something every day. 40+ years ago when I started in the trades, n
ames like Festool, AEG, Metabo, Bosch, Festo, Fein, etc. weren't available
and weren't affordable if they were. King of the hill back then was Metabo
as I think (not sure) they were the first well respected hand power tool c
ompany from Europe to make a push into the US. Stuff only a young man coul
d dream of. Then came the other brands on their heels.
I didn't know at the time that these companies would become chess pieces on
the game of business with whole businesses bought and sold at will. I lov
ed the romance of advertising that sold "old world tool making brought into
the 21st century".
This thread got my interest up as to who owns who these days, and I was stu
nned to find the giant conglomerate AEG had spun off their tool division.
See if these look familiar:
It gets worse. I found that the much vaunted Festool group of tools is now
owned by yet another holding company:
Soo... I guess I am saying that it all boils down to the contractors specs
to the jobber/manufacturer to get the product they want their name on. The
whole tool business these days is nothing more than an inbred bunch of acc
ountants/investors/efficiency engineers that are working to maximize the do
llar from manufacturing widgets.
All of that being said, I must say that in talking to the Ryobi rep and the
Milwaukee rep at the same time on Contractor's Day at HD was enlightening.
Both have sold tools for other companies and had been reps for years. Of
the choices at the store, for a contractor like me both said they would buy
Ridgid for hard use. Two reasons: First, some Milwaukee products will ou
t perform some of the Ridgid products in extreme conditions, but the return
/failure rate was about the same which makes sense at the guts are essentia
lly the same. Second, the Ridgid brand has that great warranty that no one
else offers, and both said that was impossible to beat.
Speaking of batteries, just a couple of years ago it was found that most ne
w Li batteries were interchangeable between Ryobi and Ridgid. If that is t
he case, that makes it even more attractive to me, a buy that might drop a
tool off a 2nd story ladder or have it stolen. If the batteries interchang
e, I will be gladly looking at this type of replacement should the tool its
elf fail after the manufacturer's three year warranty from Ryobi.
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