J. Clarke (in firstname.lastname@example.org) said:
|| YMMV - but I'd have to wonder why...
Then I am truly sorry that in your anger and grief you were unable to
see or hear most of the rest of the world grieving with us and for
us - and reaching out to console...
...and I regret even more that those responsible for the attacks were
able to bring about this gulf between yourself and the far greater
number around the world who wish us well.
That disconnect is as much as they could possibly hope for.
DeSoto, Iowa USA
True enough. If you read the Constitution, something that is
rare among those who comment on it, you will find that
the framers used the word citizen, or not, as appropriate.
The privilege of the writ of habeas corpus shall
not be suspended, unless when in cases of rebellion
or invasion the public safety may require it.
The trial of all crimes, except in cases of impeachment,
shall be by jury; and such trial shall be held in the state
where the said crimes shall have been committed; but
when not committed within any state, the trial shall be
at such place or places as the Congress may by law
No person shall be held to answer for a capital,
or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment
or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases
arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia,
when in actual service in time of war or public danger;
nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted
The foregoing apply to all persons within the jurisdiction
of the United States whereas the following apply only to
The right of citizens of the United States to vote
in any primary or other election for President or
Vice President, for electors for President or Vice
President, or for Senator or Representative in
Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by
the United States
The right of citizens of the United States, who
are 18 years of age or older, to vote, shall not
I don't think you understand what I mean. I believe I understand you,
however, and it's disturbing, to say the least. The "lost" comment was
directed at someone with the moniker "xiaoding2"(unless that's one of
yours). Oh, and I misspelled unalienable, too. For that, I'm sorry. Tom
J. Clarke wrote:
If you are an American citizen you will (and should) get the full
benefit of American due process. If you are an enemy of the state,
especially an illegal combatant; you do not (and should not) receive
the same benefits (and are not covered by the Geneva Conventions). I
hope Americans are smart enough not to try to hobble the whole system
by listening to the do gooders (or are they) who feel that all
terrorist and enemies deserve to be treated as if they are just another
And yes, unfortunately a few good people may get caught up in some kind
false identity or be unfairly accused but you can't castrate the whole
system to prevent this from happening to a few people. The system is
there to try to protect you from our enemies. If you are not an enemy,
you can be pretty confident that the government isn't out to lock you
up. Why would you think they are?
| email@example.com wrote:
|| firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
||| CW wrote:
|||| Just call him a suspected terrorist then he can be sent to
|||| Guantanamo, no charges needed.
||| Yeah, and can you believe there are some a'holes that want to do
||| away with Gitmo??!!! I guess they want more due process and more
||| rights for the dirtbags that have openly declared war on us and
||| society. Ya gotta wonder what they're thinking or whose side
||| they're on...
|| How about due process and rights for persons falsely accused
|| of being dirtbags who have openly declared war on us?
| If you are an American citizen you will (and should) get the full
| benefit of American due process. If you are an enemy of the state,
| especially an illegal combatant; you do not (and should not) receive
| the same benefits (and are not covered by the Geneva Conventions). I
| hope Americans are smart enough not to try to hobble the whole
| system by listening to the do gooders (or are they) who feel that
| all terrorist and enemies deserve to be treated as if they are just
| another domestic criminal.
I presume you're referring to do-gooders like (cut & pasted):
New Hampshire: Josiah Bartlett, William Whipple, Matthew Thornton
Massachusetts: John Hancock, Samual Adams, John Adams, Robert Treat
Paine, Elbridge Gerry
Rhode Island: Stephen Hopkins, William Ellery
Connecticut: Roger Sherman, Samuel Huntington, William Williams,
New York: William Floyd, Philip Livingston, Francis Lewis, Lewis
New Jersey: Richard Stockton, John Witherspoon, Francis Hopkinson,
John Hart, Abraham Clark
Pennsylvania: Robert Morris, Benjamin Rush, Benjamin Franklin, John
Morton, George Clymer, James Smith, George Taylor, James Wilson,
Delaware: Caesar Rodney, George Read, Thomas McKean
Maryland: Samuel Chase, William Paca, Thomas Stone, Charles Carroll of
Virginia: George Wythe, Richard Henry Lee, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin
Harrison, Thomas Nelson, Jr., Francis Lightfoot Lee, Carter Braxton
North Carolina: William Hooper, Joseph Hewes, John Penn
South Carolina: Edward Rutledge, Thomas Heyward, Jr., Thomas Lynch,
Jr., Arthur Middleton
Georgia: Button Gwinnett, Lyman Hall, George Walton
when they affirmed that:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created
or are you of the "all men are created equal, except that some are
more equal than others" school?
| And yes, unfortunately a few good people may get caught up in some
| kind false identity or be unfairly accused but you can't castrate
| the whole system to prevent this from happening to a few people.
| The system is there to try to protect you from our enemies. If you
| are not an enemy, you can be pretty confident that the government
| isn't out to lock you up. Why would you think they are?
Then may you and those you love be those few good people.
DeSoto, Iowa USA
Ed Zagmoon (in email@example.com)
| I want to be a serial killer and I want to use wooden weapons.
| What can I build with wood to kill people and how can I
| avoid being arrested by the cops?
Oleander chopsticks. When the police come to arrest you, climb into
your DIY wooden trebuchet (cleverly concealed in your basement) and
launch yourself through the basement window, over their heads, and
DeSoto, Iowa USA
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