How many Normites were honorary Neanders last night?

[TroyD]

Just wondering if anybody brought out the candles and flashlights and did some Neander woodworking last night?

TroyD

[charlieb]

Candles and curlies in a semi-dark room AND the phones probably not working for calling the fire department if/when latter makes contact with the former. Hope you had four or five buckets of sand on hand in the event of a fire (I understand some of the water pumping stations went down).

Why is it that when we in California had rolling blackouts (and energy price gouging) it was because we're F**k UPs and it's not the Fed's problem. BUT when a hunk of the northeast goes dark and the STOCK MARKET goes out - freakin' A, call in the national guard, declare an emergency and open your wallet folks ...?

charlie b PS - Anyone catch Wag The Dog lately?

[clutch]

[snip]

Naw, you got it wrong. The electric outage was created by east coast liberals in suport of Gray Davis. That way he can point and say he dealt with the problem and the east coast hasn't. There is a vast left wing conspiricy.

Wes

[Silvan]

You want a totally honest answer?

Nah, you probably don't want an honest answer. ;)

[Robert Medal]

actually, I was watching TV today, and the mayor of New York was claiming it was CANADA's fault . . .

oh well. . .

~R~

a canuck

[Jim Akins]

With the price of electricity in California at rip-off prices there is not much chance of a blackout. ; Candles and curlies in a semi-dark room AND

[CW]

[clutch]

I did during Clintons term and it looked like art imitating life. I keep it in mind when evaluating all government actions, even the guys I tend to support.

Wes

[Norman D. Crow]

When that many *events* occur in a 10 second time slot, it's going to take a while to sort it out. One group is saying that a *midwest* plant started it all with wild fluctuations that the rest of the grid couldn't balance or control, and to preserve themselves, the other plants automatically tripped off. We were without power for about 3 hr. that evening here in Jamestown, NY, but this was over 2 hr. AFTER the main blackout. We have our own city power plant, so it must have held it's own for a while until the grid tried sucking power from us(I think).

Who knows? Nahmie

[Larry Jaques]

On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 05:09:16 GMT, Dave Balderstone pixelated:

Keeter and his damned OWWMs, no doubt.

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[Dave Balderstone]

LOL!

Reports today are blaming it on Ohio, tho...

djb

[Renata]

Apparently 3 transmission lines in Ohio went down after at least one touched a tree, last I read. That started the cascade. What they're baffled about is why the problem (line) wasn't isolated immediately.

Apparently, had some station near Philly not isolated itself from the cascade, the blackout coulda spread as far as the Rockies.

Renata

[Dave Balderstone]

In this morning's paper, apparently the Ohio plant is reporting imbalances beginning several hours before the cascade. It'll be a while before we know what actually triggered this "event".

Interesting that Quebec wasn't affected. I haven't seen much in the way of details, but apparently their connection to the grid is buffered using DC power in some way so they stayed safe.

djb

[Upscale]

I believe Quebec has their own power grid, separate from the one that affected Ontario and the North Eastern United States.

[dave]

Can you say "Seperatist"? What about with a Frech accent? %-) Dave in Fairfax

[Dave Balderstone]

Separate, but connected.

djb

[Mike in Mystic]

I never thought that it was a "f&&kup" in CA, but I don't think it is anyone else's fault at all. Rolling blackouts are a lot different than a sudden power outage. At least there you probably have some for-warning that it will happen. Still, neither situation is at all acceptable, and hopefully something will get done to improve the systems everywhere.

Mike

[Silvan]

Séparatiste...

[Nova]

The city of Buffalo, NY wasn't affected either.

-- Jack Novak Buffalo, NY - USA

[Upscale]

Wasn't the problem in California blamed on deregulation? The problem in the northeast was blamed on technical difficulties (so far). Of course, the way it's set up, the system could be considered F**ked Up anyway. So, take your choice.

Just to keep the conversation on topic, the six hours the power was off, I spent thumbing through my dog eared Lee Valley catalogue making modifying my wish list. At least that's what I did until it got too dark to see.