Let me get this right. You went to the BORG and nothing SCANNED???
I don't want to sound paranoid or anything, but you probably just died in a
parallel universe. Go to the doc and get checked out immediately! You can
not survive in this universe if you are unscannable. Be afraid, be very
<G> Sorry, I am in that kind of mood today.
SWMBO out of town, so I went to the grocery store the other day.
Brought my own cloth bags so I wouldn't have to take the plastic
"landfill clogging, crude oil using" bags. I run races and many of
them give away a promotional light cloth bag with the race goodies in
them, so I've got a bunch.
For some reason the self check out system does not like me using my
own bags. Attendent had to reset on just about every scan. Seems
like most of the regular check out lines not too happy to see them
either, not part of the " system".
We will all be there some day, better start getting ready now.
How does the checkout system know what kind of bag you are using?
Maybe grocery stores where you are are different from the ones here
but the ones here have a conveyor--you scan, put the item on the
conveyor, it goes down a ways and stops in a holding area and the only
time you bag is when the conveyor is full, and at that point the
system doesn't care if you put in a plastic bag, a paper bag, the
cart, toss it out the window, eat it, or shove it up your butt.
Don't have a clue. I normally use self check out and have never had a
problem. Only thing different this time was my cloth bags.
Self check out. No conveyor here. Scan the item, Miss autovoice
tells you to put it in the bag. Three racks of bags. Won't proceed
until you do. I put my cloth bag up where the plastic bags are.
Didn't like it.
Regular checkout, cashier uses a bag carousel down stream of the
conveyor and scanner loaded up with the plastic bags. They don't care
to fumble with my cloth bags, but I intend to continue, one way or the
And it's probably the excessive tare weight of the other bag that's the
problem Frank's having--his bag weighs too much so it figures the sorry
sob customer is trying to sneak something out...too many "smarts" for
its own good. :(
And now I have yet another reason add to my list of why to avoid the d-d
things completely... :)
But it does NOT know what an itemX weighs if it is not sold by weight.
Putting the bag on first makes the machine think something has gone
through without being weighed. Putting the bag AND item on at the same
time satisfies the system. Try it. It works.
<clare at snyder dot ontario dot canada> wrote in message
Oh yes it does. I have had the self check out tell me to rescan an item that
was too heavy. I had a heavier and lighter weight item in my left and right
hand. Accidentally I scanned the lighter more expensive item with my right
hand and dropped the cheaper and heavier item from my left hand, in the bag.
It balked. Even back in the mid 80's merchandise was being weighed per
part. General Motors could, with some accuracy, determine if a shortage
claim was legitimate by comparing the parts sold to a dealer with what the
actual weight of the order was before it was shipped to the dealer. If the
shipping weight was under the actual weight of what the order should have
been there was no problem having the claim accepted. I assure you that the
with 99% certainty weight is know on every item with a bar code. This is
very helpful in determining shipping costs on a shipment before an order is
picked. I am sure that the rest of the retail industry has caught up in the
last 25 years. But there is a possibility that not every retailer is taking
advantage of this information.
If you have already started the transaction the bag will be considered an
item to be purchased. At some point between the last customer and the next
customer the scale has to reset otherwise replenishing an empty bag hook
would set off a warning.
Hmm... wonder if anyone's been successful at using that to his advantage
(although maybe I shouldn't even bring this up and give anyone ideas?). If
somehow he should know a couple of items that are equal weight - within
whatever tolerance is used - could he scan the cheaper one and place the
higher-priced one in the bag? Say a gallon of paint vs a $200 power tool?
Or is the system smart enough to only de-activate the sensormatic tag when
the correct barcode has been scanned?
It's interesting how this works. In general I think I've read that most
retail theft is from within, but in places like Home Depot, Lowes, etc. it's
from customers. The biggest areas - power tools. Can't imagine how one
could walk out with a new cordless drill, complete with plastic case, but
To top that - two local Home Depot stores were recently hit for pretty big
wire thefts. The culprits cleared an entire shelf (one that required a
ladder to access), of spooled copper wire. You're talking stuff that
required a flat cart to carry. Worse, you're talking materials that
required the "customer" to use a ladder to clear off the shelf - the kind of
thing that would seem to stand out to store employees since customers are
not allowed on the ladders. The wire spools were all tagged with the
anti-theft devices. Yet, the thieves managed to get the products, remove
the tags, and get out of the stores with the cart full of the stuff. The
estimated value from at least one of these two stores was $3,000. That's a
lot of spools of wire.
A good friend is the electrical associate in one of those stores. He was
working that night and is pretty diligent about tending his department. All
it takes though is a customer (or accomplice) to distract an associate in
another aisle. HD's policy is that if a store discovers a theft like this,
they notify the neighboring stores so they can be on alert, since so many
times these are not isolated incidents. When they notified the other
stores, one discovered that they too had been hit in exactly the same way.
Just shows to go ya...
"Shrinkage" is a major problem at the retail level.
I have a friend who was involved for many years in retail fraud
investigation and now is a cashier at Home Depot.
You would be amazed at some of the methods used to steal material,
then sometimes try to return it for full credit at the same store.
A lot of it is by independents but it appears organized gangs are now
targeting DIY operations like Lowes, H/D, etc.
As this is being written, the City of Long Beach, CA is being attacked
by a bunch of thieves stealing manhole covers.
New: $500; Scrap: $10 max; however, major problem is liability when
someone drives into an open manhole before the City can make repairs.
Times are getting tough out there.
At the same time a lot of employees are afraid to take the risk. An the
companies send out mixed messages also, clerks are told to cooperate with a
armed robber, yet are expected to run down a shop lifter. I worked loss
prevention for a couple of years and you're never sure what you are dealing
with. The worst of course is a user trying to get enough cash for their next
fix, the least dangerous are the professional thieves.
There was an unarmed security guard shot here within the last six months
when he went to confront a shoplifter
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