I've been shopping for new bathroom fixtures & my contractor
recommended Kohler as a toilet brand.
I've priced them in Home Depot & for the same model, they are far less
$$ there than in the plumbing supply store.
Are these the "same" toilets? I've heard that sometimes a company
will make a cheaper version for Home Depot stores.
I agree that manufacturers often make models specifically for a chain
like Home Depot, but I think the model number would differ in some
respect. If the model number is identical, I would think the product
would be identical, and Home Depot may just have a better deal from the
manufacturer because of their size.
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I would have to agree; not only can Home Depot get a better deal, they can
sell cheaper because they can sell so many. While I never really studied
sales and marketing, if you can sell 1 item for a 5 dollar profit, or sell
ten items for a 2 dollar profit, you make more money. Kind of the Wal-Mart
concept. Sure, there are other factors, but that is it in a nutshell.
Ture story: Purchased a Americast tub 3 years ago. Priced it at Home
Depot: $225. Priced it at local plumbing supply: $350. Identical tub,
but buying locally would have cost me and extra 50%. I'd have paid $250,
but not $350.
Same model and different price, get the cheaper one. Different models will
have different pricing and some companies will make special models for their
big box customers so they don't get into a price matching situation.
A lot of it is just quantity buying by HD. The manufacturer gives them
a big discount for buying a large quantity. They also often act as
both the "distributor" and the retailer since the quantites they buy
qualify them for distributor status.
Try ordering a toilet in a non-stock color from Depot. The price jumps
quite a bit... although it may still beat the local retailer.
Aah the wonders of modern marketing! The model numbers and/or names
assigned to 'cheaper' products serve several purposes, most having to do
with comparison shopping and agreements with other retailers. If your local
plumbing contractor doesn't carry the same model number as the big box
stores, you have no easy way to compare the products.
I once worked in a furniture store, and the same thing goes on with
mattresses. Other stores in our area carried the same brands we did, but
never with the same names or external fabrics and colors, even though the
construction was identical. The manufacturer agreed not to distribute the
same 'appearing' product in our marketing area. It's a common practice
almost wherever you look. What makes a Pontiac better than a Chevy? Under
the skin, they're practically identical. The main difference? Marketing -
plain and simple.
i got on American standard web site and was looking for a toilet.....
called up their 1-800 order number and i talked to the lady on the order
desk.. i told her that the model number, etc of the toilet and that the
web page had a price of $250-$400 and asked her about the price.. she
stated that if i went to home depot or some place like that i can get
the same thing for about $125.00.. i went there and for $96 including
tax and shipping(they had to order it)... i got it delivered to the
store as i did not know if we would be home when UPS delivered it...
two weeks later we went to the store and picked it up. i checked some
local plumbing showcases and the prices were pretty steep... same item
cam be ordered from lowes or home depot alot cheaper then the small
independent store that will only order a few items... i think it took
two weeks to get mine delivered as they must stock up on orders so they
can order in volume and make a better deal......
I am currently doing a big remodeling/addition project that involves
electrical, plumbing, framing, etc. I am doing everything myself and I had
to shop for many fixtures, electrical boxes, plumbing supplies, etc. What I
found is HD and Lowes always have exact or similar items substantially
cheaper then local supply stores. Just a couple of things that come to my
2" PVC solvent union: HD - $5.65, my local plumbing supply $15.65
roll of self-adhesive duct aluminum foil: HD around $7, my local hardware
store - $17
I could not find any local supply store anything cheaper then in big chains.
The only problem is that HD and Lowes do not carry everything you need so
sometimes you have no choice but to go to a local store. I needed a Zoeller
sewage pump system and neither HD nor Lowes has it. I had to order it
through my local plumbing supply.
Just a word in defense of local stores. If doing a project that I am
confident that I can handle from start to finish, buying from the borg is
what I do. If the project is something I am not completely familiar with or
anticipate some difficulties, I will buy from the local. The simple fact is
the local shop is staffed by folks who know their products and how to use
them most effectively. They can offer advice on how to get the job done
efficiently and with minimal screw-ups. Further, they have been employed at
the same place for a number of years it's that experience and service before
and after the sale that I am paying extra for.
Contrast that with the average borg employee who may well be hard put to
tell the difference between a masonary bit and a regular high speed bit.
On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 00:58:54 GMT, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
The local hardware store, yes. The local supply store, no.
Try the supply store.
Could be true on some items. The supply store has a little more
diversity and is a lot more convenient than the half hour drive to
Depot, the helpless aisles, the long register lines, etc. Unless I'm
buying a large bunch of stuff, I tend to go local just to save the
time and figure the minor difference in cash is paid for in project
the advantage is to the "proffessional" not the DIY'er
besides dealers will give you a better price on a "whole package" sale.
you won't get that at the "big borg".
pretty soon you will have no where else to shop
then up go the prices.
there go your options.
so much for free enterprise
welcome to corporate enterprise.
small co.'s are being pushed out everywhere.
Speak for yourself <g>. Our Home Depot is about 2 miles away. Supply
stores I've been to always seem to have that air of "you shouldn't be in
here" or "why aren't you just calling in a pro", even though I'm a very
competent DIY'er and never ask for help, except maybe to compare a couple
different versions of the product I"m looking at. They don't seem to want
my business, they charge more, they're never open when I want them, so
what's the advantage?
Before you compare the Plumbing Supply outlet and one of the Borgs, you have
to realize that they work differently. The Borg stores have one price only,
that is what you pay. Most Plumbing Supply stores will quote you the MSRP
which is the highest price anywhere. They may discount down from this, and
you need to know if they have done that. Always ask the Plumbing Supply
store if the price they quoted you is "list" or "trade". If they say it is
"list" ask them for their "trade" price, you will find it is 25% to 35%
less. Many Supply stores will sell to you for the "trade" price if pressed,
some will not, and it is time to move on.
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