Second article link: "Mariesa's television was plugged into a power strip that ran to an outlet behind a tall wooden bookshelf with a solid back. Whenever something went wrong with a plug, she or Gina stood on a bureau next to the shelf and leaned over the top to make an adjustment. Maybe this time she leaned too far and pitched headfirst over the edge."
RWed, Nov 29, 2006, 3:28am (EST+5) snipped-for-privacy@snet.net (Pete=A0C.) doth sayeth: Under a pile of clothes is easy, try making your bed, then dump a pile of laundry on top, now crawl into bed under the mess. If it was someone poor who couldn't afford to heat the place properly it's more insulation too, not just a mess.
Easy maybe, but I don't see it for keeping warm. I've slept cold before, and if I didn't have extra blankets to put over me, I would "not" pile clothes on top of myself, they'd slip off, I'd put the clothes on, then go to bed.
JOAT Democratic justice. One man, one rock.
Umm ... horizontally sliding back panels that would allow access to the existing wall outlets from the front?
"Through the back" extension cords that plugged into the hidden wall outlet and provided a more accessible outlet as part of the bookcase carcase? (Possibly through a bottom or back skirt. Side view below.)
----------- | | | |--------| | | | | |--------|x| | |x|~~~~~~(= X
------------ X | xx | |
------------
Bill
I read the complete link you provided.
Perhaps you would like to explain how she was able to get in the gap but not get out ... how a gap large enough to admit her was too small to permit struggle, too small to permit her to tilt sideways to a horizontal position and breathe, too small to allow her to call for help. After death, her leg DID move to a horizontal position without ANY muscular exertion ... That is how her foot came to be exposed. There was 'wiggle room'.
Your answer should contain no assumptions ... just good hard science, please. You should be able to meet the same standards you are asking of me.
I regret using the subjective term "scrawny". However, the BMI for this woman, as evidenced by the link I provided, is 17.5 where a BMI of 19 is considered the lowest healthy weight. She is thus properly labeled as underweight ... that is not an assumption.
I have never assumed that the tv itself was on the bookshelf because I think that it would have gotten knocked off in her struggles. My guess would be that the TV was on the dresser. And that she managed to get the plug inserted just fine this time.
Bill
Easy, the bookcase tipped forward some, she fell behind it, and it fell back toward the wall.
Any reasoning on my part would consist entirely of conjecture - not hard science. There's not enough information for anything more than guesses and assumptions. All I know is that she died in a freaky way and I feel sorry for her and her family.
I think that what set me off was the scrawny part. If there were more complete information on the person's genetics, body type and other "hard science" factors, than the BMI could be a useful tool. The BMI thing is no more accurate in categorizing people then IQ tests, and we've both met people with huge IQs that we wouldn't trust to safely cross the street alone.
Maybe...
R
So her body mass and physical strength were sufficient to tip it forward enough to access the plug on more than one occasion, but not enough to budge it when she really needed to?
Makes sense to me.
Except for the part where she was in the habit of tipping a bookcase away from the wall merely to access an electrical plug but she could no longer move the bookshelf when she was fighting for her life. And also the part where a bookshelf tipped into the room due to a body being wedged in behind it didn't look odd to anyone.
I give up. But I still cannot grasp how she could get wedged behind a bookshelf that she could move to fall behind but not move to escape from. That is ... why could she move it the first time but not the second?
I'm walking away from this.
Bill
Sorry to jump in at the tail end of this, but isn't it possible a) she hit her head on the way down and suffocated while unconscious, or b) the wedging action of the fall compressed her diaphragm (that feeling of "having the wind knocked out of you" that we are all familiar with). I would guess "b". That would explain her inability to scream for help and subsequent suffocation.
Let me preface this with this is purely conjecture. :)
Leverage. At the TOP of the bookcase it would require considerable less force to tip the bookcase than what would be needed once she was behind, where any force she could exert would be at the middle or bottom of a bookcase.
I doubt she was in the habit of "tipping the bookcase", it was most likely an accident, if she was on top of the bookcase and lost balance, her weight could easily tip the bookcase out from the wall. And if that started to happen, what would most people do? They would shift their bodyweight in the opposite direction (ie, toward the wall).
Remember she was inverted, most likely with the weight of the bookcase smashing her to the wall, her arms would either be extended abover her, or to her sides, she would have no way to position herself to exert any considerable force, considering she was "scrawny".
That's a plausible theory as well.
I think we can all agree this is a freak accident, but I don't think it's anywhere close to impossible.
Or it was fully loaded, and maybe set into an alcove. Very probably she was anorectic and physically weak.
Hummm, my recently aquired hedgers slasher, 10" blade 40" haft, and now well sharpened, was a good buy, probably be banned next year. Welcome to the UK, truely band-it country.
BS, maybe not, Bliars Brainwashing Colusionists would never BS....
Add bang on head whilst inverted causes vomiting in most people, U/C + vomit = dead quite often...
Sat, Dec 2, 2006, 12:03am (EST+5) snipped-for-privacy@ntlworld.com (badger.badger) doth sayeth: BS, maybe not, Bliars Brainwashing Colusionists would never BS....
You can always tell a gentleman, because a gentleman always says "amazing" instead of "bullshit".
JOAT I am, therefore I think.
Maybe you just need to convince the gov't that it is a utensil required for religious ceremony by the RoP. The government will be guarenteed to keep their hands off then. [only slight sarcasm]
+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+ If you're gonna be dumb, you better be tough +--------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
Amazing. ;)
I'd always heard that a gentleman is someone who never insults someone unintentionally.
R
Really? I read news.bbc.co.uk daily, and I don't find it pro Blair or Bush. Quite the opposite.
Tim W
You're missing the point. They're pro-BBC(NYT) at the expense of anyone else. Sometimes the "news" is created, not just selected for presentation in support of themselves.
Fri, Dec 1, 2006, 9:13pm (EST-3) snipped-for-privacy@worldemail.com (RicodJour) did sayeth: I'd always heard that a gentleman is someone who never insults someone unintentionally.
Amazing.
JOAT I am, therefore I think.
HomeOwnersHub website is not affiliated with any of the manufacturers or service providers discussed here. All logos and trade names are the property of their respective owners.