Please rethink the 30" and 24" sizes. Your sink base really needs to be at least 36" in order to get a sink in, especially if it is stainless with the bottom clips. The "typical" sink is 32-33" wide. Also, if you make some
48" cabinets, you will eliminate two side pieces worth of material and labor to make the cabinet (you can make the face frame for either three or four doors). Considering the size of modern refrigerators, you need at least 36" (should be 40") of wall space , and the cabinet above if that is your plan.
Where I have trouble is the where to mount the slides so when I go to install the drawer it's not to high or to low. I don't do a lot of them because of that, I get agravated having to tweak them up or down. Any tips on getting this part accurate? Thanks
I've always had good luck with the Accurides and the 3832's were my standard series. You can make a jig by printing out a full sized template in a CAD program. (It would be a nice idea if slide manufacturers provided a download of such a template).
You will need to increase the size of your module at the sink base to something more in line with the 36" standard, as 30" is too skimpy for standard sinks.
I've had the best luck by packing out the insides of the cabinet to the inside edge of the face frame, or (preferably), running the inside edge of the face frame in the same plane as the inside edge of the box. This, of course, means an applied drawer front.
This way you have an overhang of the face frame, which can be useful as a scribe in the corners. The appearance, from the front elevation is indistingusihable from an overhanging face frame and it saves you a lot of time. If you are biscuiting on the frame, you simply reference from the inside edge, rather than the outside.
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When I only have to do a couple I simply mark out the centerlines and match them up.
When I have to do something like an entire kitchen I cut out pieces of ply or MDF to represent the spacing of the base unit, the middle drawer and the top, or whatever configuration that you are using. Sometimes you have a bunch of base units with doors on the bottom and a drawer on the top. The template works well for this. Since I standardized my drawer units, I had templates for three to six drawer vertical layouts as well as the usual door/drawer setup. The nice thing about this is that it works every time. A typical kitchen only has about three configurations for base units.
This was before I switched to the 32mm system, where the holes are laid out by the machinery that you use and the heights are adjustable within the 32mm module, making vertical layout a snap.
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I'll dig them out tomorrow and get a shot of them to post.
Accuride - 3832 is what I use, mostly.
I did my latest kitchen modular, basically working in increments of 3" for the different sizes. IIRC, I had about 36 linear feet of base cabinets, not including the island.
Most of my wall units, and their corresponding base with drawers, are 27" wide. The sink base is 51" wide. The wall unit above the fridge is 36", and the wall unit above the range is 42". The two double sided base cabinets under the Island are 42". I've got a couple more that were odd sizes and shapes to conform to wall angles, including one 60" base cab that is only
12" deep as it goes into a hall way, and a pantry that is 24" wide, 24" deep on one end and 12" on the other.
If you haven't already thought about it, standard height for wall units is generally 30". In many cases, and if your ceiling allows it, making them taller by 3 - 6" can improve the looks of the kitchen tremendously, as can making some of them, perhaps in the center of a run, or on the ends, a little taller than the others. By the time you get trim on these they are stunning.
Accuride does but they have to be scaled. Some people haven't caught on yet to AutoCAD and drawing full size in model space. Anyway, I 'specially love the flipper door hardware templates. Makes it look like you spent hours drawing the thing.
Nothing wrong with 3832's and they were my slide of choice for years. However now the Blum Tandem full extension is my stock slide. True, they are quite a bit more expensive but the expensive is not a large part of the job. Considering the life of the cabinets I believe the upgrade is well worth considering.
On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 10:23:05 GMT, Unisaw A100 brought forth from the murky depths:
I downloaded the Accuride file 3832sc_std.zip.php (WTF?), viewed the raw header (PK for Zip file), stripped the .php off the end, and tried to get SoftCad3D, TurboCad Lite, PTC Pro/Desktop, and Intellicad2000 (all 4 freebies) to read it. None could. Sigh...
No feedback has come from Accuride yet, but I'm willing to bet that their draftsmen use the most current copy of AutoCad and output files readable only to that. I wish more web folks knew to use copies of programs 1 or 2 versions back (or to save as a more generic version, readable to older programs) so the rest of the world could view their work. Sigh #2...
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On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 23:30:56 GMT, Unisaw A100 brought forth from the murky depths:
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