Just took the van to pick up some stuff.
Noticed the brakes sounded like they had a stone in them.
I just replaced them last year, rotor and pads.
You can't find anyone to resurface rotors anymore.
As a matter of fact NAPA told me the town prohibited them from turning
drums and rotors. They wanted them to build a separate out building for it.
Anyway in one year the Chinese shitty rotors are gone. I used OEM
Toyota pads, I checked the calipers are fine they are not hanging up...
So the answer is the crappy rotors just ate away so fast. $26 per rotor..
Pads were higher than the pair of rotors.
I have to redo it after a year. I guess I am buying OEM rotors since
this stuff sucks.
Buyer beware.. same with HF.. I've been burned a few times recently.
putting me back on a more cautious buy with them.
Extremely few production brake rotors are anything other than cast
iron or cast steel.. Most of the damage done to rotors is due to
chemical reaction with metallic compounds in the prake pads,
compounded by road salt. All rotors have a "service limit" and a
"machining limit". Used to be they were significantly different and
you could cut a rotor up to 3 times. With the advent of CAFE, and the
resulting weight reduction "imposed" on manufacturers, brakes are
often now undersized for the application, and so low in mass that they
cannot handle extreme heat - and machining them reduces the mass to
the point the quickly warp after being machined. With today's labour
cpsts, and the cost of 3C parts, it is cheaper to replace than to
machine MOST brake rotors.
Good brake pads today are VERY expensive compared to rotors - It is
false economy to buy the cheapest rotor you can buy unless you are
also putting on the cheapest pad you can buy and are not planning on
keeping the vehicle roadworthy for any length of time.
My modus operendi is to never buy either the cheapest or most
expensive part unless there are only 2 or less options.
Actually to be more specific and to clarify that the composites have
been commonly used even in the 80's,
COMPOSITE BRAKE ROTOR APPLICATIONS
Some of the earliest applications for composite rotors were the 1982
Lincoln Continental, 1984 Ford Mustang SVO, 1987 Ford Thunderbird Turbo
Coupe, and 1988 Ford Taurus and General Motors front-wheel drive "W"
body cars (Buick Regal, Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme and Pontiac Grand
Prix). Since then, the number of vehicle applications has continued to grow.
OK, there is more than one definition of "composite"
The "composite" you are refirring to is still an all-steel rotor - -
Those "composite" iron/steel rotors could still be machined,
successfully. Just took proper adapters for the brake lathe. I
machined hundreds of them
When "composite" rotors were mentioned I was thinking Carbon Fiber and
ceramic composite rotors which have worked their way into the
ultra-high-performance brake world over the last number of years -not
as standard equipment on any mass produced sub-$80,000 car.
These rotors can NOT be machined on any normal brake lathe.
My last front pads alone pretty well hit that mark here in Canada -
for 2003 Ford Taurus. Front rotors run $20 for the cheap crap to
$45-ish for the decent stuff. I had ESB rotors and "green" Kevlar pads
on the Mystique - $300 for the front pads and rotors IIRC - but they
lasted over 5 years.
That was parts only - at my "trade" price, as a licenced mechanic.
Yes, we pay a LOT more for many things up here north of the border.
But that was for "specialty" performance parts. I could have put 3C
parts on for about $65, and continued to change them every year for 5
years - paying the same amount or more. They actually lasted 8 years
but were in bad need of replacement by the last year. (I had not
served them the last 3 years - always figuring on scrapping the car.)
The brakes were new on the car when I bought it - and were totally
shot within 2 years and less than 10,000 miles of driving.
The pads I just put on the Taurus were $135, my cost, in the box. The
real good ones were almost $200, and the cheap ones something like
$60. The BPI Raybestos Element pads sell for about $70 online in the
I'm not a mechanic, don't play one on TV, but $300 sounds like a lot
for just a front end brake job.
Had my front end done on my Toyota Tacoma at about 95,000 and was
told to come back about 140,000 for the rears.
Don't remember how much the fronts cost but it was nowhere near $300.
If it had been I'd still remember it.
Yeah, it's pricy up here. Just did the front brakes on my 2003 Silverado
1500. $108 for each rotor and $89 for the pads, plus 13% sales tax on
all of it. Don't know why there should be such a great price
differential between here and the U.S. There's not that much difference
in the dollar.
I used to own an '85 F150. Before I sold it (which I still regret), I
replaced the entire brake system, except 80% of the lines for under
$250. All the calipers/cylinders, master cylinder, drums/rotors, a
bunch of line, pads, shoes, etc.
And I did all the work in the driveway, with a single jack and a few
"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
When I first moved to Alabama, from Vermont, I had to have all of the
brake radiator lines replaced ($3000). They had never seen anything
like that before.
Last summer I had to replace the truck because the rear leaf spring
mounts had turned to air. I'd probably been driving for the better
part of a year with the springs resting on the frame. Moved much of
my house and all of my tools that way.
Brakes ain't cheap here in Ohio. Replaced brakes on our Ford van and
rotors alone were $95 each. Front brake job, including labor was way
I just replaced the rear brakes on my '99 Cherokee. Drums, shoes,
brake fluid and one replacement cable and cylander ran under $180 and
that was with a mechanic's business discount.
We got rid of the van (full-size). In some ways we really miss it but
in others (gas, parts, etc) we really don't. Had to replace ingnitiion
wires every 12-18mos and had to use Ford OEM. All after market wires
would start to fail after 6 mos at best. Our last tuneup on it ran
$700, including labor. My last Jeep tuneup ran me $87.
I'll give up a full-size van over a jeep anyday based on yearly cost
of maintenance and gas use. Van was 13-14 MPG and 20-21 MPG on Jeep
and that's using 4-wheel drive. Downside is less space, comfort and
overall usabliity. We loved the van for camping and long trips but not
If you can do the work yourself, you can save some serious money,
especially if you can get parts at cost. If not, you better find a
really good mechanic. One that does honest prices and good work. And
the latter seems to be a dying breed.
Actually, they are cast iron, not steel. That said, quality control and
metallurgy are not Chinese strong points.
Add to that, that the makers of rotors for the Detroit iron used to age each
rotor, for up to a year before they put the factory turning on it and
shipped it out. That is the primary reason they used to hardly ever warp,
and if they did, not so badly. Do you think the Chinese age their cast iron
for a year? Nope.
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