I have been waiting some time for this as I sold off my Delta
contractor saw last fall and have been out of the country quite a bit
since then. I had settled on the Grizzly G1023SLW with the router
insert in the wing. It was out of stock until last week and I was
going to order it now since I will be coming in from offshore next
week. Now in my inbox I see Rockler has the Jet 10" 3HP left tilt for
$100.00 off and free shipping. I really don't need the router wing
insert as I have a BenchDog system with a Hitchi 12V. Any thoughts on
one over the other? Not trying to restart any Griz/Jet wars here;
just looking for experience and opinions. I'm going to order one in
the next couple of days...
Paul (Floating in the Gulf O' Mexico)
I have owned a Grizzly 1023S for five years and couldn't be happier. When I
started my search Unisaw and Jet were initially at the top of the pile. Got
a chance to have a Griz demonstrated at the Springfield store. Then their
customer service gave me names of a couple of guys in my are that owned
them. That sealed it. Very quick truck delivery and easy setup. No
BTW, I just added a router table outside of the existing cast iron wing on
mine (between the regular length fence rails). Pretty much made from stuff
I had in the shop. It ends up being about the same size as the SLW but
lighter. I didn't add the legs because they aren't needed. However, for
the difference between prices of the "S" (or "SL") and the "SLW" -- the SLW
doesn't look like a bad deal.
I have the Jet 3hp left tilt, package price included the longer fence with a
router table and a decent Bosch router to boot. I've used it for nearly a
year now with no complaints at all, huge step up from my old Craftsman saw.
Only comment about the Jet, they don't bevel the front edge of the cast iron
extensions, leaving a fairly sharp exposed edge. I'm sure there is some
reason why they don't (for those of us who occasionally confuse our rights
with our lefts maybe) but it is something contend with. - no experience with
Grizzly, but from what I've seen in this ng, many happy owners of both.
Good luck with your new saw, I hope you are as happy with the upgrade as I
Local supplier delivered the saw, took a day or so to get it set up (I move
a bit slower these days...)
I too am a happy owner of a Jet. I'm fairly sure that all major
manufacturers do not bevel the wings. This is because the main to an wings
are ground flat separately, and milling matching the bevels separately would
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Well, I too have had the Jet for 7 years and am very happy with it.
As for the bevel, it would not be difficult to mill the bevel on the
extensions. If they can mill a flat surface milling the wings would not be
a problem either. As a fatter of fact, The Powermatic 2000 has a bevel all
the way across the front edge.
The wings extensions are not milled on the Jet for two reasons.
1. If you milled a bevel on the front of the extensions to match the TS
main table you would cut through the iron. The wings are not as thick on
the front side as the main saw table is.
2. The bevel is to prevent the "stock" miter gauge face from catching as
you push it over the edge. The "stock" miter gauge is narrow enough that a
bevel on the wings are not required.
If price is not longer a factor, either would probably be a good choice. I
personally don't like having a built in router as I like to have separate
setups. I have the Bench Dog station also.
It may all boil down to whether you want a near white saw that reflects
light better than green. LOL
On another note, Jet dealers are all over the place. Grizzly has 3 or 4
locations. This may or may not be a factor for you.
I personally have the Jet left tilt and expect it to out last me. I have
had to make no miter slot to saw blade adjustments in the 7 years that I
have owned it. Would I buy again? I would strongly reconsider Jet, Laguna,
Powermatic 2000, and the SawStop. I'd probably end up with the Laguna or
I will probably be upgrading soon, too. We finally have a General
distributor here in town, and I swear the General saw I looked at
reminded me of the old Green Delta from my school shop in '70.
Everything was heavy duty, smooth, and just plain nice. The only
short coming was the fence on the one I looked didn't feel quite as
positive (could have been their setup) as others I have used.
I hope if you buy one you will post a review.
We're past the 'if' part. I'm looking for a deal at this point and I
am looking into a sliding table attachment for it too.
Last time I fired one up, all I heard was the soft whistling of the
wind through the blade's teeth.
Their Canadian made version of the T-fence is just fantabulous.
I like those General people, they're hanging in there, damn the
torpedoes. Their off-shore stuff isn't too shabby either. A friend of
mine bought a big General International planer from them and it is
This is the saw I'm drooling over. (c model with t-fence)
General people, they're hanging in >there, damn the torpedoes. Their off-shore
stuff isn't too >shabby either. A friend of
I have looked at some of the General Interplanetary stuff (for those
playing along) and it looks first rate to me.
But the "General" brand just seem to remind me of the old iron days.
When the guy that turned the saw on for me looked at my face, he sure
got the expected response. It sounded like some kind of all ball
bearing fan. Just a kind of turbine sound, then up to speed
BTW, as a testimony to the accuracy and longevity of the General saw
line, the distributor is Jointech (their home in sunny San Antonio is
about 7 miles from my house), manufacturer of various goodies for the
table saw to make exotic joints, or just plain accurate joints.
These guys could use any saw they wanted, and they chose General, even
when they had to order them in. They liked the sturdy reliability of
the saws, and the fact they could pack them in the trailer for
woodworking shows and they didn't need to be fully aligned even after
bouncing around for weeks from city to city.
I think they got the idea to sell them when doing their demos that
many wanted to have the whole "setup" they were using in the demos and
classes. To top it off, they even use them in their newly completed
classrooms. To me, that says a lot about the General. A whole lot -
these guys are selling accuracy.
I don't know what model it was I looked at. But on further
reflection, I am thinking that since they hooked it up with their own
(Jointech) guides maybe they ordered the lowest end stock fence they
could. That would make sense to me - why order the high end stuff
when you are just going to take it off?
Sure looking forward to that review!!
Ohhh.. I didn't know that they were importing from out there yet. ;~)
I agree with you on that comment but different style saw blades can make a
saw sound different. ;~)
I am not saying that they had one of those "special demo blades on the saw
to make it shound like some kind of all ball bearing fan. A well built
piece of machinery does have that unmistakable smooth and kinda soothing
Boy that says a lot too. At the last woodworking show a major player used
that excuse to explain why their tools were not up to expectations.
I see that the General has a 2HP motor compared to the 3 HP on the
Grizz & Jet. Will this make much of a difference to the weekend
woodworker. I don't foresee me ripping 12/4 hardwoods. (could happen
though I suppose) I would imagine mostly I would be cutting
dimensioned woods. I have also heard that the General Int'l goods are
not up to par with the General Canada units. I have been away from
the rec for quite some time now so am a little out of touch on the
latest happenings. The General hybrid would be roughly the same price
as the Grizzly by the time I pay taxes and shipping from Woodcraft in
Minneapolis and only a hundred or so less than the Jet on special.
Geez, buying a saw is kind of like buying a car eh? Far too many
I believe that this particular saw with the 2hp motor is one of the newer
type hybrid Table saws, My first clue was the smallish wheels for setting
the bevel and height. Then I think I confirmed with the 2 hp motor that you
also observed. The hybrid is typically more than a contractors saw and has
some of the nice features of a typical cabinet saw. Typically the
"standard" cabinet saw has at least 3 hp and runs on 220 volt or more. As
far as the international series being up to par, that may or not be true,
they may be better in some cases. The international series are Asian built
IIRC and this may or may not be a plus.
That said, for a weekend woodworker this saw should be plenty. For many
many years I used a Craftsman 1 hp saw with a quality blade. The key to
getting the most out of your power is to use the best saw blade that you
can afford. Regardless of what brand I strongly recommend the regular kerf
vs. a thin kerf blade. While a thin kerf blade does in fact make you think
that you have increased your hp, the trade off is that your cuts are "not
always" as true as what a regular sized kerf blade will deliver. I used
thin kerf and regular kerf on the 1 hp Craftsman and once I found a premium
quality regular kerf blade I never even considered going back to a thin
kerf. I have been using a 3 hp Jet cabinet saw for the last 7 years and use
the WWII reg kerf 40 tooth blade for "All" cutting. If your sawing will
include thick cutting you may want to consider going with a standard Cabinet
saw and the 3 hp motor. I have resawed Ipe with the blade all the way up
and fully buried inside a 1x6 with no hesitation or strain from the motor.
Ipe is approximately 2.5 times harder than Oak.
About three/four years ago I had the opportunity to do a few test cuts with
a Canadian made, General 350. I don't recall the fence being a problem
during the hands-on, but it may even have been an aftermarket fence.
Fence notwithstanding, to one very used to a UniSaw, the General 350 was an
impressive piece of machinery.
FWIW, and based on that brief experience, and if I did not already own a
UniSaw, I would not hesitate to go with a General 350, no matter what it
Compared to their 650/350 it would be considered a hybrid. Your
description of what a hybrid is, is how see it as well. A contractor
saw with a better table and base.
But I have been around saws long enough to know that a good contractor
saw is better than a bad cabinet saw.
And you are so right about the choice of blades... they make the truly
But for me, right now, the difference in price between a 650/350 and
the smaller saw is what will pay for the shipping of the Bot.
I will build a monster outfeed table for the smaller saw with storage
underneath, that's what's on the drawing board right now. I know my
work flow pretty well and the saw will be part of the rough sizing
department, along with a cutting station for long strips.
The machining will be done by the bot, as will the cook-top and sink
cut-outs. The Bot will never be used for fun things like signs and
cabinet parts right? Right. Yuppers, for sure.
Then the machined parts will go to the fabricating section which will
be enclosed for temperature-, dust- and noise control. A part of that
will be finishing section for all the same reasons, but with way
r---> cleaning the bikes and going for a ride. I'll have a sore ass
tonight, but for different reasons than the sore ass I got when I sent
in my taxes. But if I want Freedom Fries, I have to peddle to get them.
Is this going to be in a second building? It seemed that you mention you
have to do this in two buildings.
If so, will there be any problem with moving the materials between
buildings? Either in terms of moving carts over less than smooth surfaces
or exposure to the weather?
I've been riding pavement all week, capped off by a ~ 3 hour mountain
bike ride this morning.
We could have ridden all day, but my ride mate had a stick wind his
rear derailluer into the rear wheel of his Intense. 8^0 Gave me a
good excuse to go home and bleed the Hayes brakes on my Giant.
Nothing like a good sore ass!
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