could be more likely the 17 year old girl will
Trying to remember how I discovered the wRECk
magazines before I found this (and other)
me too, but that may be a generational thing. 17 year olds today may be as or more attuned to the net for information than magazines....
Best post I've read in this thread.
When you first started out with this wonderful craft. Did you know what a jig was, or what a dado was or what tool to use for what job. Did you know the difference between a finishing sander or and orbital sander, or to make it convenient to make sliding tables for your TS.
I think not. Everybody has to start someplace to learn anything.
I see a lot of questions in here asked by Men. Some with some knowledge , others with none. But you answer their questions , with honesty and helpful answers.
Why pick on females. It is widely known that women have more patience than men. If we can raise kids and put up with men. We can surely learn woodwoking.
The differnece between Men and Boys are the size and cost of their Toys.
Pat.
Ditto David Marks. I got him for a while here in Minneapolis on HGTV. Then they quit. I keep pestering them with the suggestion they add the DIY network but it's spitting into the wind. Maybe if every woodworker in Minneapolis started writing them they'd come around. Or, maybe we could hassle HGTV to begin to carry him again.
Bob G.
patriarch < wrote:
Generally, yes - would you expect otherwise?
Are you implying that the typical response to a female poster is of an unfriendly mien? If so, then I'll have to disagree. Most of the male woodworkers I know (and that's nearly /all/ of the woodworkers I know) are pleased to have /anyone/ share their interests and enthusiasm for crafting useful/beautiful things from wood.
My observations here (and in usenet in general) have led me to conclude that it is the mouthy, judgmental, and /wrong/ posters who get picked on and draw the huge majority of flamings.
[The "rule of thumb" that's served me well has been to keep my mouth shut when I'm not reasonably sure of my facts, speak up when I can offer help (or a "well-done"), and to be wary of being tempted to put down any person, idea, or creation.]It may be widely known to you that women have more patience than men; but my experience has shown me that while *some* women do indeed have more patience than *some* men, it's also true that
*some* men have more patience than *some* women. [I more than suspect that men and women are "wired" differently in some ways; and that these differences provide strengths for both genders. For example, (in general) women seem able to multi-task better than men. This seems to be an advantage for women in the same way that it is an advantage for men to be able narrow their concentration to focus all of their abilities on a single task. As best I can tell, all of these "wiring" differences are complementary; and it seems foolish to pronounce one or the other trait of the complementary pair "best". YMMV]If you can do an above average job of raising kids and putting up with men, then you have my respect and a measure of admiration that depends strongly on how far above average that is - which is no different than my yardstick for men who do an above average job of raising kids and putting up with women. (-:
None of which has anything to do with learning woodworking. It's not a gender-dependent activity. Making a serious attempt to make gender an issue in a woodworking forum probably won't produce much in the way of either respect or admiration.
Ok; I'll take the bait and suggest that in time you'll learn that the difference between /adults/ and /children/ (of either gender) is their capability to do good *and* their capability to do harm.
If you read "the wwrec" for a while, you'll discover that there's a significant number of "neander" woodworkers who have a passion for working with hand tools (frequently shop-made or restored); and that members of this newsgroup, both "neanders" and "normites", claim and award a certain amount of status in the form of "gloats" and "neeners" - both of which have to do with acquiring requisite tools or materials at *low* cost.
I've written more than I'd intended. You may find browsing one of the archive sites for alt.binaries.pictures.woodworking of some interest. I was impressed by how many (nearly all!) of the most beautiful woodworking has been done to delight a spouse. /That's/ where the gender factor comes into play.
If you have a woodworking question, you /can/ expect to receive honest and helpful answers. It's still possible that you might get picked on either because you've earned it (see paragraph 2) or because you've given some indication that you have a ready sense of humor and are prepared for some friendly banter.
I love fine hand tools - but have a normite shop. You're invited to tour
They've said the same about r/c model airplane builders and model railroaders for just as long. Both hobbies are bigger than they've ever been.
A non-scientific observation I've made in our local school is that few of the pupils fit with the statistical norm. Many are 30 and 40 somethings, a good number aren't white, and some are not male. It's rare to see someone over 55-60 in one of the classes.
Barry
Ya see? **THIS** is zactly, g'damn why I'm for Stem Sell research! Cloning 'dorkers - can't be any tougher than sheep, right?
I think Monsanto just bailed on "engineered" wheat. My wife's cousin's son-in-law works the second shift security there. Think I'll call him now and plant the bug in their ear.
Naive, I may be. But I don't think my Mama raised any _stupid_ kids. I got one of those Nigerian Scam thingies the other day from someplace other than Nigeria. Don't recall of which country he was some high-ranking minister, but I did notice it wasn't Nigeria. If it ain't from Nigeria, it must be OK, huh?
Tom Veatch Wichita, KS USA
A'yup.
And the lumber car, was real.
UA100
Whoa! We talking about the same wreck? If so, please point out those helpful individuals so we can either block them from the group or spoof their replies. Only thing we need more of in this place is sarcasm.
[ Pssstttt.. F7 is the speeeel cheker. ] Now hold on there missy! I've got plenty of patients. And I raise kids too. And I put up with men too. And even wommen, come to think of it...Sooner or later, they all throw the size thing back atcha'.
Me too.
I knew whatcha meant - but thought it was damned funnier your first way. Kind'a a Norm Crosby humor thing...
I'm still waiting for those guys to deposit the million in my accounts. I've sent the data several times!
Barry
Huh? How did I get involved here?
When you're done explaining it to Renata, I may need to hear it, too. I don't post often here because I am Doug Miller's SWMBO, and he says enough for both of us...;-), but I don't "get it" either, when it comes to "women's woodworking."
I think the real reason there are not more women in woodworking is because we don't have the TIME for such a hobby. I fit it in when I can, between the kid's activities, full time work, social/church activities, and other hobbies.
With Doug as a full-time at-home wood worker now, he has taken up a lot those sorts of duties, and my woodworking time has greatly increased. :-)
But I still don't understand why we women need something "special."
Indyrose
By the way, I also hunt and fish, and I'm a manufacturing engineer... and I keep Doug very happy. :-)
I don't buy that. It may be why YOU don't spend much time, but other women have many other hobbies and find time for them. Women can choose to allot their time just like we do so it comes down to priorities and desire. Ed
And have impeccible taste in Neckwear, it seems! :)
She picked that up at a garage sale many years ago, figuring that I'd be able to win the annual IS Dept. ugly tie contest.
She was right: it was declared the winner by acclamation without a vote, over the protest of one guy who wanted to disqualify it because it obviously lacked amateur standing. :-)
-- Regards, Doug Miller (alphageek-at-milmac-dot-com)
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The need is simple. Someone noticed a discrepancy between the actual and desired size of his or her bank balance and estimated that selling a magazine to female woodworkers would be efficacious in adjusting that discrepancy.
It's not about need, it's about greed.
: Actually, I never approached this particular hobby with that attitude. : I got interested and just kinda started doing it. Never gave a : thought to, "Gee, this is a male dominated hobby; maybe I'm in over : (or is it under) my head".
: But, I do realize it is a novelty to see gals pursuing it (and there : are times when this is advantageous; & times when it isn't). The : difference is between the attitude of novelty and the attitude that : somehow, because I'm a woman, I have fewer skills, abilities, innate : knowledge about the subject.
But there are some MEN who feel that way about women doing woodworking. And there's the difference.
See the letter in the current Fine Woodworking, by a woman with a lot of experience as a woodworker, and who is now running a training center.
-- Andy Barss
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