Yes folks, its cheaper to heat with electricity!

The moon gets further away. I still haven't quite got my head round how it works though.

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gives some details.

However, even if we could get all the earth's current energy requirements from tidal energy, it would take over a million years for the day to lengthen by just 1%. (Numbers used - earth rotational energy ~2.6 x 10^29 J -

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energy usage 50 TW, based on TNP's figure of ~0.3 TW for the UK, and assuming the rest of the world used the same energy per capita)

TL

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The Luggage
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Yes

I don't think so, what you don't take out as power would be lost as heat wouldn't it? Either way the tides do slow down the rotation of the earth in any case.

At the moment the tides add momentum to the moon, so it's speeding up.

As it speeds up it moves further away. The moon sloughed off from the earth after some sort of collision.

AJH

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AJH

What do you think VAT is?

Land Value Tax is no income tax at all. Just tax land, all land, and easy and cheap to collect. It is implemented in many cities around the world. Get to understand it. Do a Google.

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Doctor Drivel

< Worsted Mill Ca. 1965 >

I liked the open crane doorways four floors up (in fact every floor) where you leaned out to catch the 250lb load hanging in a 50 year old straw basket on an unrestrained steel cable, and drag it into the building releasing the tension on the hoist at precisely the right moment so it settled teetering on the edge of the open doorway, icy in winter, with the weight of it and the steel cable and a socking great cast iron ball trying to drag you out to oblivion.

Batches of 20 baskets of yarn like that arrived 4 times per day.

Directly beneath you was the pedestrian and vehicular traffic of a busy Mill yard. No warnings, no notices, no banksmen - anywhere.

Another entertaining concept was that of "Conditioning". The yarn stores were neither heated nor cooled, and could reach 100F in June-July-August, down to 35F in December. When it was at it's hottest the yarn could lose 1% or more of it's weight per week by evaporation of it's water content. It was sold by weight at probably the then equivalent of say £40 /lb.

Come the end of the financial year (December) the stock was inevitably down and gangs of labourers were sent "looking" for £250,000 worth of missing yarn, which they never found, of course.

Only one thing to be done in such a case ...

The stock control clerk got "Sent down t' yard wi' 'is cards". :)

Mercerised cotton ?

Derek

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Derek Geldard

Raw cotton bleaching and dying. There used to be a Wikipedia page ont he subject but I can't find it anymore. The cotton was boiled, scoured and dyed as a fibre for use in car seat stuffing (Jaguar/Rolls Royce) for surgical use and for making paper for banknotes, which at that time used the most expensive long staple cotton available.

There's something about the process here:

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the section about the "kier" which was the cast iron pressure vessel in which cotton was boiled for hours in a mixture of hydroxide and soap.

The book omits the details of the sheer manual labour needed to shovel tonnes of wet cotton around to get it from kier to washers and driers.

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Steve Firth
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I forgot to mention, that book discusses twaddell meters, the use of which used to amuse me slightly. In my defence I was just 18 at the time I worked in t'mill.

Hmm twaddell meter, I bet that would read 100% for Drivel's output.

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Steve Firth

Inflexible, and limited by EU law.

Taxes serve to raise revenue, and to discourage unwanted behaviour. They must also be seen to be fair - tax according to income. Land value taxes are totally divorced from the ability to pay - as many a widow with a large family house has found.

Andy

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Andy Champ

Ah. I stand corrected.

Andy

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Andy Champ

IIRC the moon's orbit is increasing about 1cm per year.

In ancient times days were shorter and tides much stronger.

The sun will finish before the moon's orbit is even 20% greater.

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Ed Sirett

That is not fair. That discourages people to work harder.

We don't have LVT - LVT is NOT council tax. LVT is a tax on the land only, not the house. Two 0.5 acre plots next to each will pay the same irrespective of whether one has a bungalow on it and the other an 8 bedroomed house. In this country we are penalised by council tax if we add a bedroom to improve our quality of life, which is totally ludicrous. That means productive work is penalised in the construction industry reducing jobs. Do the Google I told you to do. Understand LVT.

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Doctor Drivel

In message , Doctor Drivel writes

On that basis, council tax ought to be related to the service requirements of the individual resident. Er... wasn't that called Poll tax?

regards

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Tim Lamb

Under your system, I'd be penalised if I bought the empty plot next door solely to improve my quality of life (by stopping someone else building on it). This is of course ludicrous.

Among other things, as I gain no income from this land how am I supposed to be able to pay the tax?

You might also like to think about the effects of this tax on organisations such as the Woodland Trust, who own large areas of land with very little income.

Andy

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Andy Champ

The way the poll tax was implemented was a joke.

My mother was a retired widow on a state pension living alone in her own house in Scotland. And she paid *more* in pole tax than immediately previously under the rates. So the very type of person so often quoted as being helped by the abolition of rates ended up worse off.

The scrapping of the 10p tax band so the poor pay more is simply Labour following the lead of the Tories, yet middle England is baying about it. Bet they'd have kept quiet if it was a Tory government.

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Dave Plowman (News)

"Please sir the big boy made me do it."

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Steve Firth

LVT is not council tax at all. NO income tax or council tax.

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Doctor Drivel

LVT ensures land is used for maximum benefit. Someone buying land to do nothing with it is not a benefit.

You sell the land and it is usefully used.

That is taken into account. Special cases for reserved land, such as SSSI, etc.

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Doctor Drivel

Translation: Drivel is back on his hobby horse that every square inch of the countryside should be covered with cheap cardboard-box housing.

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Steve Firth

The message from "Dave Plowman (News)" contains these words:

Scotland had it a year earlier but if your mother ended up paying significantly more then local government finances must have worked rather differently in Scotland. In Keighley I paid much the same.

The Tories are usually kinder to the rich than the traditional socialists (with a marginal rate of 98% on investment income it would have been hard to be more severe) but I don't think they have ever been quite as cavalier about it as Nu Laber. But Brown is in a bind. If he is to have any hope of winning the next election he has to placate the very rich who provide his party with funds (so no extra higher rate bands) and buy the votes of those on middle of the range incomes who are seen as the key swing voters.

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Roger

Oh look! A plantpot.

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Doctor Drivel

I'm not convinced estuary based tidal power could meet 100% of Britain's needs. However, tidal lagoons are scalable far beyond what is possible with estuary power. Also tidal lagoons are beneficial to the wildlife environment whereas barrages are detrimental AND they interfere with maritime traffic.

Tidal lago> Roger wrote:

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HBlack

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