Interesting slant. Daily Mail or Telegraph? Just what policy did he dictate? Oh - dictators usually get their own way. Nor are they elected.
So you don't think he was trying to protect the jobs and living standards of his members - the job he was elected to do? How very quaint.
Do you remember the context that this statement came out of? It's very easy to get any 'quote' you like by asking a loaded question. And interviewers are very good at that. Newspapers even better at quoting out of context with no right of reply.
I suspect you'd think everything said on there true too.
However that is what he stated he intended to do on live TV. Maybe you should ask him if it was a spitting image double that said it?
Yes, it was repeated in an interview with Daver Osler for "Socialist Outlook" so that should quell any attempt to claim that the quote was taken out of context.
"the best opportunity in 50 years to transform not merely an industrial situation and win an important battle for workers in struggle, but an opportunity to change the government of the day."
I'll be interested to see how you attempt to wriggle out of this one.
That much is undoubtedly true. The WAIS (West Antarctic Ice Sheet) may very well avalanche wholesale by 2050 and nothing will stop that inundating London. They will stop spending on London when it is under water like New Orleans, and they will say "Why didn't anyone see this coming?". Of course London will not be alone - many cities worldwide will go the same way.
Tidal lagoons are scalable far beyond what is possible with estuary based tidal power. Britain should lead the world in tidal lagoons. Heck, it is largely a matter of dumping rock in the sea on an unprecedented scale. British engineers can manage that and the British Isles geography is the best in the World for such an undertaking. It involves moving about 2500 million tons of rock (!) from Wales to the Irish Sea. To create tidal lagoons to supply 100% of Britain's need for electricity that is.
The numbers are staggering but possible (a entire heavy train can move perhaps 500+ tons of rock so about 4 or 5 million train loads are needed).
The only other source that is sufficiently available, reliable, predictable, sustainable and scalable is fast-neutron reactor nuclear. But the waste problem is not solved.
As to Liverpool, a Mersey Barrage at Bootle will indeed protect Liverpool against WAIS caused flooding - but only provided flood defenses are built at Bidston also.
I was delighted when the Nottingham miners were made redundant.
She got what she wanted. Rid of the mining industry. And we pay exceptionally high energy prices today because of the slag.
Domestic waste can be used being compacted between walls of rock. This will solve the waste problem for a few years.
Good post. Yes the volume of rock needed is colossal. However, quarried properly new valleys can be created giving an appealing landscape in some areas.
True that Bidston in the Wirral (way inland) needs sea defences too. Birkenhead Docks was the old Wallasey Pool and forms the border between Wallasey and Birkenhead. The docks have a small river frontage and move inland on the Wirral two or three miles. At one time Wallasey was an island with water from Liverpool Bay meeting water from the Wallasey Pool. The low lying land at Bidston has to be walled to prevent the sea entering the docks, which are to be like a sort of Docklands in London/New York.
Picture over Liverpool centre, Mersey river in foreground, Liverpool Bay beyond. The new development on the docks (ideal for a new parliament?) . Bidston is the end of the docks and low lying land between Bidston and the bay. Wallasey to the right was once an island. None of this has flooded in living memory. The defaces at Bidston can be erected way after a barrage. The Mersey is less at risk than the Thames.
You don't see any difference between 'topple', 'bring down' and 'change' then? No surprise there.
Scargill wasn't elected to anything, not even the NUM a the end. He used his power to change the rules to prevent a leadership election replacing him incase you didn't notice. That is why the UDMW was formed, they wanted to be able to elect a leader with brains.
No he wasn't, he stated that he intended to topple the government. Did you never watch any of his speeches? What are you basing you ideas on? Some work of fiction you have?
Yes I remember, it wasn't a 10 second sound bite.
I suspect you are making everything up and no nothing of the miners dispute at all.
I'm not a great fan of the elected trouble makers, either.
I'm really sorry for bringing up the strike, it's obviously a sore point on uk.d-i-y. I've a lot of sympathy for both positions and I don't really know what the facts are, and don't really get the impression anyone else does. I look forward to the definitive treatment 20 years hence. I remember it quite clearly, as a kid in Derbyshire, and was similarly confused at the time. I guess the trite remark is that nobody benefitted from it in the end, but I remember there being an ice-cream man at Orgreave who did a roaring trade.
Dan.
I'm not sure the position you speak from, for all I know you're an ex-Kent flying picket, or something, so I'm sorry if that's the case.
But assuming that you weren't in the thick of it, then after so many years, your position seems either to reflect a lack of ability in the empathy and introspection departments, or else a somewhat naive approach to the complexities of life.
Dan.
Of course not all vegans drive their loved ones to their doctors! As well as the very many people who get on just fine with adopting a vegan diet, I know of a vegan who insisted that their partner start eating meat again, against his wishes to support her, when he waned on a vegan diet.
There seems to be a bit of a tendency in cam.misc, sometimes, to take the batshit extremeists as representitives of their class!
Dan.
Even in the general strike the Nottingham miners went back first. The Kent boys were good. Highly moral men.
We are feeling right now the effects of the Slag who destroyed the industry in our high energy bills. Who suffer? The poor in fuel poverty. But they are hated by the Tories for being poor. Hypothermia to the lot of them - and hope they all die off.
Wriggle, wriggle...
Didn't realise it was wrong to hope or work for a change of government. I take it you'll therefore be happy with Labour in for ever?
But I thought even you would know the difference between bringing one down and simply working to change it. Ah well.
You are missing an opportunity here.. open cast coal mining, large pits that can be made into reservoirs after.
Wrong to change a government, no. That can be done at an election. Wrong to change the elected democratic government by strike action? Yes that's wrong, especially when the strike in question has not been called democratically, but autocratically.
Thanks for proving that socialism consists first and foremost of telling a big lie then pretending that the lie is fact. Animal Farm and 1984 are simply guidebooks for the lefties, aren't they?
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