Windows User Account Settings Problem

Mar 07, 2018 16 Replies

I run Win 7 Home Premium. One Administrator and one User (me, most of the time), Bitdefender 2018 AV software. A couple of days ago, in Administrator mode, I took a look at the user account settings (Control Panel - User Accounts and Family Safety - User Accounts - Change User Account Control Settings). Not looked there before, but was surprised to see the slider set to the lowest level of control. As I'd read this was definitely not recommended, I moved the slider up two notches to second from top.



When I next tried to open my newsreader, Forte Agent, as a user, I was surprised to see the blue and gold windows shield on the short-cut, and I was asked if I wanted to make changes etc. and to provide my Administrator password. OK, so not what I expected, but I typed the password and everything went OK (with the slight problem that Agent then picked up the AppData files appropriate to the Administrator, not the User. But I got around that easily enough by copying the appropriate User AppData files into the administrator AppData folder).



But whenever I as User now try to open Agent, it asks for my Administrator password. This is just a bloody nuisance. None of the other programmes I run as a User are afflicted in this way. I've tried changing the Permissions for Agent, via Administrator, to give the user complete control, but it makes no difference. I've also tried re-setting the slider on User Account Control Settings to the lowest level, but again to no avail.



I've looked on the net for solutions, and one I found suggested creating a scheduled task (taskschd.msc) and run Agent from that. Set it up OK, but it made no difference: it still insists on my Admin password. Other solutions offered involve downloading and running one piece of software or another, which I'm reluctant to do on the basis that you can never be sure what you're getting and what else they might do.



How do I get back to not having to input a password every time I run Agent? Is there something I've missed? As I said, none of the other programmes I run as a user require it. I do vaguely wonder whether Bitdefender is preventing something being re-written.



And please, no comments about MS being crap and Linux being wonderful. It may be true, but MS Windows is what I've got and I don't intend to change!


What about reinstalling agent in the new environment, or I seem to remember it also being needed for some software to really disable user account control, and there was an article on how to do this at the time. Lastly have you tried taking the machine back to before the changes? if that does not work then disable bit defender and try it all again.

Brian

I've never seen the point of UAC. Even experienced users are prone to click "OK" by reflex without really thinking about it if it follows on immediately from asking the computer to do something.

Always found it a nuisance and always turned it "off".

Those data files should live the user AppData folder, and have their security permissions as user - which was the situation before you moved them across.

However, the application may now be foul of UAC Virtualization (AKA Data Redirection) and the OS has moved registry entries to point somewhere else. (which may be where you should move those files?)

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A shorthand diagnostic, might be to run procmon.exe and see exactly what is being accessed that requires access elevation - then fiddle things.

Or, backup the data, uninstall and then with UAC on, reinstall the application as user, elevating when requested. That would be the normal install experience that Microsoft intended should work. IME it does.

$ sudo echo "I couldn?t possibly comment... :-)"

Put the setting back to what it was and use something like Norton/Symantec Internet Security. MS security is crap.

Have you seen this thread? Which looks like a similar problem to yours

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it does look a little bit involved and does involve downloading software

- but it is at least MS software.

Well yes, you can make Linux act that way, but it takes some doing... and its easy to reverse.

Is that supposed to be an advantage?

No but it might be (slightly) less prone to unwanted payload than software downloaded from a completely unknown website.

Ah. Linux doesn't suffer from that...

I have a similar issue using W7 pro. Which throws up a *do you want this software to make changes to your computer* alert every time I open up Open Office 4.1.3:-(

I also get *requires elevation* when I try to open a saved ODT file.

I've always assumed this was just MS being obstructive.

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If you both install software *and* then use your computer from the administrator account, then you are correct - this IS Microsoft being obstructive.

  1. to protect you from yourself (nanny mode)
  2. to stop driveby software silently installing itself.

Disable UAC, if it's really annoying.

McAfee / Norton will save ya (Er, not...)

Many thanks to all who offered suggestions on this. Most didn't work, or more correctly, I couldn't get them to work.

I had a look at procmon, but it was way beyond my ability to comprehend what I was seeing, let alone change anything.

I worked my way through the MS Application Compatibility Toolkit as suggested by ChrisB. It seemed fairly straightforward, but it didn't work. Whether that was it or me, is probably moot.

Uninstalled and Reloaded Agent 6.00, as that was what I'd been using, but nothing changed, even though I had set the User Account Control Settings to zero. So I uninstalled it again, and loaded the latest version of Agent, 8.00 and that seems to have solved the problem, even though I still have the blue and gold shield on the short cut icon.

But I don't care! It works without my having to type in my administrator password every time I open it, which is all I was concerned about.

Lol! But i think it has been admirably demonstrated. ;-)

Linux may well be better for some things but its nowhere near as good as win10 for many things. The developers are striving to emulate win10 but they are always on catchup AFAICS. BTW its not linux that is trying to emulate win10 as linux is merely a kernel. Its the rest of the distribution that actually interacts with the users which is not linux. The developers deserve far more credit than calling a distro linux.

s/r f/r as badly f/

It's not immune.

Andy

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