what does the team think?

Nov 11, 2018 Last reply: 7 years ago 70 Replies
  1. I have been reading uk.diy for a number of years and I have a pretty good idea of whose opinions are worth heding.

  1. PAT testing, for which I have been on a course (and have a piece of paper to prove it), is a totally different matter to Installation Testing.

  2. I'm an electrical engineer but in a different specialist field. I think I know what is correct, but am open to correction.

  1. It's my daughter's church.

Is she a well-known God?[1]

[1] I think we've outgrown this "goddess" business, don't you?

There's no mandated permitted or denied uses of 2A plugs/sockets other that those in common with all other wall sockets (sleeved pins, shutters, and suitable for the load/location)

So yes, 400W heaters would be fine.

Or an non standard gauge fused 13A plug which are readily available.

But hard wired is the most normal in this situation.

I just found out that that stupid warning that pops up on my phone when I tried to max the volume is some bloody stupid EU regulation.

You'd think they'd have better things to worry about...

Industrial vacs are not regulated in that way IIRC.

The only common use is lighting points (for floor lamps or table lamps to be switched on the lighting circuit).

In that scenario - there's no written limit - you would design your circuit according to the expected load.

Just to check - I assume you have the C&G 2377 and a copy of the IET's Code of Practice for PAT Testing (In-Service Inspection And Testing Of Electrical Equipment)?

What did it say?

a) It's not called PAT any more. Partly to avoid this confusion. Wall heaters would normally be included in such a testing regime.

b) I have a degree in physics. The C&G 2377 is a 1 day course and exam. I strongly recommend you take it if you haven't as it will cover everything needed to correctly inspect, test and keep records.

There was nothing in my degree covering the specifics of this type of work and I doubt there was in yours. In both cases our degrees give us the means to understand the basics of the tests and inspections, but not the expected procedures and record keeping.

Without being disrespectful, even if you are a CEng, I wonder if the building insurers would accept testing records done by someone without the specific standard qualification.

You can do the course at the IET itself (I did) - and IME that was a good course as it was led by both an electrician and an engineer, the latter having some isnight into the "why does it say this" whihc was extremely useful and interesting.

£55 for non-members for 152pp in paperback!

Yes - I know, the IET publications are renowned for costing.

But if the OP is doing ISI&T for a place to which the public have access, he should be properly equipped.

Its just something to moan about the EU for. He probably has one of the new ones with the HEPA filter and they don't suck well at all. He would still moan about it if they mandated a minimum performance for a VAC. Oh they do that don't they. The last Henry I used had a two level power switch too and he has probably forgotten it. Of course Henrys are the cheap products and there are better ones in the range that cost more and are somewhat better.

I will stick with my Bosch GAS25 which is really good and only uses 1200W.

Is it really 2000W? I have an ancient wet or dry Rowenta and even with the bag in place has more than enough suck from just over 1000w.

Why did you buy such a crap vacuum, then?

But Doom is such a good European, he rushed out to buy the very worst cleaner on the market after the new regs came in. So he had something else to whinge about.

My Miele has a HEPA filter and sucks plenty.

However a Henry is rated domestic and is a mere 600W. Its not great ,

Oh dear. Well my two henris are

  1. 600W/300W - has a switch onb - and
  2. an old refurb that is I think 1200W. Switch removed 'because no one wants them'

The hepa filter makes no difference to suckability.

I have three here. All bought well before the EU regs - but all below the limit.

I'm sure there are plenty that make more noise than suck - if you look hard enough for them.

Remind us of the EU limit?

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