I don't think there's a perfect diet that works for everyone. We have to find what works for us. I *became* a vegan rather than being born into it so I've been able to tune my diet accordingly. I predict within 30 years people in the western world will have practically stopped eating meat because of the push for sustainability and alternatives developed that are so similar that nobody will need to eat meat. It'll be become like smoking. It's quite rare to see people smoking cigarettes these days, at least in the city I'm in.
Any diet (and by 'diet' we mean what you eat every day to survive of course) should be well planned. The funny thing is few seem bothered what anyone eats until you mention you are a 'vegan' diet then all of a sudden they become 1) interested in your diet and 2) become nutrition experts themselves! Up to that point, they assume everyone must be eating a 'Balanced diet' and we know that's rarely the case.
It is indeed. Lower LDL cholesterol, less chance of bowel cancer, heart attacks or diabetes. It's also better as a consequence to us all not having to live in so much pollution, lower risk of zoonotic pandemics and antibiotic resistance.
Quite. And why they supplement the feed we grow (in places like the Amazon) and feed the animals, along with providing it via implants in their digestive systems.
It is suggested that 40% of the general population are B12 deficient and as you say, the majority of those will (statistically) be meat eaters.
That and the water they / we used to drink that contained the same bacteria. Now it's all chlorinated etc.
As do we, both directly and via the many foods that rare already supplemented ... and that seems more sensible than generating the B12 and feeding it to animals (70% of the B12 created is fed to livestock) in the hope that 1) we eat the meat (and many don't for many reasons) and that we actually absorb it. It is known that we absorb the B12 more efficiently in the crystalline form (as found in supplements) than trying to extract it from the meat protein.
Quite, but we aren't and there are way more of us vieing for the same resources (land, food, water) than there were 1000 years ago. ;-(
Of course it isn't, as humanity moving to a plant based diet is being recommended by many experts as what we are doing now isn't sustainable and because of cold hard facts, not any 'beliefs'.
In fact, the 'belief' seems to only come from those who 'believe' it's 'normal' for us to still be causing innocent sentient creatures unnecessary pain, suffering, exploitation and death in 2021 when for the vast majority there are so many alternatives available (and often were of course). ;-)
Smoking was eventually proven to be harmful. It was known by the tobacco companies to be harmful while the public was told smoking was healthy.
I'd wager as time passes on the same will be said for veganism.
Currently there are many proponents saying eating a plant based diet is healthy, and the possible impact on the environment.
However, even now there are a number of studies which show that children are harmed by following a vegan diet and some authorities are waking up to this.
I predict less meat consumption but until we have a greater understanding of out diet and how it effects growth in children I can't see it changing to the extent you imagine in 30 years time. Even then I don't expect a tray of chicken thighs to have a warning "eating meat kills".
Anyway, this is a DIY group and best to stick to that. I believe there are some vegan groups that might cater to your desires.
Since there are 30 times more non-vegans than vegans that is a given.
But even with your own statistics you posted a while ago, you showed you were vastly more likely to be deficient in B12 if you were following a strict vegan diet.
Of course he is, so he's desperately trolling to try to get me to engage with him when I won't (no matter what lies he tells or BS he makes up).
Daughter said she was going to go from a vegetarian to vegan (after considering how dairy / eggs also exploited animals) in Veganurary
2020 and we said we would try it with her, partly to support her efforts / good intentions and partly because we thought it would be 'a good thing'.
We hadn't been buying / drinking cows milk, cheese or yogurt for 5 years previously (but would sometimes have cows milk when out if offered tea / coffee and they didn't have any alternatives).
We had also been cutting back on our red meat over a similar period and weren't big meat eaters before that. I'd also not eaten much outside the few main species we typically eat in the UK (cow, sheep, pig, chicken ...) and the Mrs has had rabbit a handful of times via her Ex's Mum but would never choose it if it was available as an option.
Once we had started only eating non-animal based foods and as we learned more about the sort of things that go on 'behind the scenes' in the livestock industry we became even more determined to never go back there again.
So se don't ... and given I do all the shopping and cooking and so could easily buy / cook meat if I wanted, I don't because *I* don't want to. The Mrs feels the same and is not only very happy with the food I prepare for her, is actually amazed how I can so quickly and easily come up with so many different things that are both tasty and reasonably nutritionally balanced. That's not to say we still don't eat junk / chocolate / crisps now and again (I have 10 bars of dark chocolate in the fridge as we speak), we are just eating better more often.
The Mrs is looking forward to the lockdown easing properly because she really needs to get some new jeans as she's lost quite a bit of weight. I also no longer have to squeeze into fresh jeans and had to make some extra holes in my belt.
Tonight we walked to the local park to water some memorial trees for a friend, then we walked to my Mums to water her plants for her before walking home. When we got in I did more pretend chicken salad wraps and the Mrs was saying how impressed she is with the consistency / spread of the contents throughout the wrap, especially compared with the chicken donor / salad wraps we used to get from the kebab shop. ;-)
I just need to get some vegan garlic sauce as we used to like a drop of that in our kebabs / wraps.
A while ago I asked what would his wife say if he wanted to eat meat. In a roundabout way it wasn't something she would entertain.
I have no need on a dietary basis. Family generally eat what I cook and likewise the other way round. There are no hard and fast rules, just likes and dislikes, without needing to pander to a fanaticism.
I don't expect Ed to go back over the posts, but you became vegan in January 2020. Until the end of March in that year your posts on the group could be said to have carried on in the same manner as previously. From about the end of March you suddenly launched into vitriolic attacks on meat-eaters, labelling them as 'murderers' and 'rapists'. It quickly became clear from the way your postings then progressed that your real agenda was not veganism per se, but that of anti-meat-eating veganist crusade, which is something completely different. It was this that prompted people to counter what you put across as 'facts', and against which you have no real answer except to resort to abuse. HTH.
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