T i m : "As soon as I mentioned my wife..."
Spike: "I never mentioned your wife"
T i m : "Liar"
Hmmm. I think we can see who is telling porkies here...
That's a pity, as you put yourself forward as an expert on the subject of CD, but obviously daren't mention the topic at home. Are you hen-pecked? Perhaps you ought to stamp on that.
T i m is pissed that his wife won't let him eat meat. He misses those kebabs he used to munch on but won't dare to say this.
Perhaps fanatical vegans should pay this tax?
It is shameful there are only a handful of abattoirs left in the UK. And the consequence of moving animals for long durations where it is difficult to make them comfortable.
Given how cheap CCTV and recording equipment is these days there is no need to have a vet on each site. There are also exemption for religious slaughter where vets are not required, and these loopholes should be closed.
I don't get this argument either, a young businessman is far more likely to look at the accounts bottom line than show a concern over the countryside.
The alternative is some fictitious money tree. Would you regard yourself to be a socialist perchance?
Hardly idiotic; where it shown that eating meat and meat products is part of a healthy natural balanced diet.
Change is not always good. We have evolved to be omnivores, and require meat as part of a natural balanced diet. We are not carnists or carnivores like dogs or cats.
It's unlikely any young farmer will be in doubt that feeding his children a vegan diet to his children will irreparably damage them and put them at the bottom of the class.
Sorry, I missed this point the first time round because I wasn't expecting anyone to be so stupid but you really are!
My Mrs is fully aware of the discussion of the consumption of tomatoes and arthritis but *she* chooses for herself if she wants to carry on eating them or not. No dissonance, she's fully aware of the facts, her free choice.
What you are getting confused about is the cognitive dissonance that allows people to both 'love' and 'kill' *innocent / sentient others*.
But how are you getting on down that hole, digging away with all the sheep and cows you don't eat and all the other animals keeping a safe distance from you (especially the chickens obviously)?
Cheers, T i m
I would like the idea of killing a pet for food. Is that what you're trying to say?
Is that not the sort of choice your wife makes? Does she dig holes too?
On Wed, 9 Jun 2021 10:24:19 +0000, Spike snipped-for-privacy@mail.invalid wrote: <snip>
<snip subsequent bs unread>So what *ACTUALLY* influenced you to make the choice not to eat sheep and cows?
I mean, NOTHING you have said in your desperate attempts to not answer the simple and straightforward question was either new so informative to me, all it did is reinforce the point that you are a complete and utter nutjob.
Adult: 'Why didn't you eat your sprouts?'
5 year old: 'They didn't taste very nice'. Adult: 'Thank you for that straightforward answer to a simple question'.Cheers, T i m
That's the very definition of Cognitive Dissonance.
Good luck in getting that across.
On 09/06/2021 13:07, T i m could have written, but didn't:
No, I didn't because that's *no answer* is it, it's just an acknowledgement of the status quo.
What is it with you and your desperate need to avoid answering the question?
I get you have the 'freedom of choice' to not answer the question but it isn't an answer to the actual question, something that specifically pertinent to this particular topic / thread.
So, given you actually like having someone to talk at for a change (so last chance) *why* don't you eat sheep and cows?
Even someone a thick as you should be able to come up with something, even if it's just more lies and BS?
Cheers, T i m
Nope, that would be a denial of the potential link between the consumption of tomatoes and arthritis. That isn't the case here.
Don't need to, it's her 'freedom of choice', just like it is for those who continue to smoke after being made aware of the risks or eating meat once they are aware of the price paid by others.
It's the intentional (soften subconscious) disconnection from the facts that is the dissonance, not the *conscious* and full consideration of same.
People who continue to smoke when fully aware of the risks are just making their own choice (for them at least).
You are welcome.
Cheers, T i m
You're really struggling with the concept of freedom, aren't you. I suppose that stems from your dystopian vision of a meat-free world and your anti-meat-eating veganist crusade, and removing freedom is your way to attain these aims.
Just what do you think the 'Cognitive' part of 'Cognitive Dissonance' means?
You're tolling, aren't you? Even a stunted-intelligence vegan can't be that dim.
More to me than to you obviously.
Oh the irony.
You are right, they probably wouldn't be as dim as someone who doesn't know why they don't eat sheep and cows but eat everything else.
Cheers, T i m
Nope.
<snip distraction / denial BS>Right, given you are now saying you are *unwilling* (probably because you are unable) to answer *my* simple question of *why* you don't eat sheep and cows (something *you* were very proud to try to use to denigrate my vegan efforts at the time), you can now go back in my 'Ignore the stupid troll' list and just carry on wittering on to yourself. Nutjob.
Cheers, T i m
I've not read the article but I've been vegan for about 18 years. A well-planned and thought out vegan diet is required. Then in my opinion it's incredibly healthy. There are issues with possible zinc deficiency and B12 but I can counter these by saying that soil has become depleted of minerals by generations of intensive farming. It's thought that over a billion people are zinc deficient. Safe to say, they're not all vegan, though many will be vegetarians if they live in India. B12 is actually misunderstood. People think it only comes from meat. It actually is a bacterium that lives on leaves, which the animals eat. I do supplement with B12 and zinc picolinate but if we were living thousands of years ago, growing our own food, etc. I doubt I'd need to. To the person who called veganism a "crackpot religion", it's neither of those things.
You sound reasonable. Perhaps you could persuade the resident zealot to tone it down a bit. Just post with OT:Ping T i m
To be honest I only went to this newsgroup to ask about my kitchen sink. :) I've not read the entire thread but they usually go a similar way of militant replies from both sides. I don't preach to anyone about what they should eat. Veganism has been politicised but I just want people to get the whole story that not eating meat is completely fine. It always amazes me how het up people get about diet.
ROFLMAO.
There are a number of articles that associate a child's vegan diet with poor brain development and reduced IQ. The same is not true for vegetarians or omnivores who consume some fish, meat and/or meat products.
Without evidence it's difficult to make generalisations. Certainly vegetarians live longer, and the cause and effect are out for debate. Do more intelligent people live longer anyway.
And so animal feed is sometimes supplemented with the various trace elements. Much soil used for pasture is near fallow, and less likely to be overgrazed.
And the age expectancy in India isn't the same as the western world.
And that bacterium, together with cobalt minerals is processed into B12. Normally in ruminants' stomachs, hence why milk and other meat products are also important sources of these vitamins.
There are known vitamins, and some unknown, unknown vitamins vital for health and development. There is so little we understand of the human body. Personally I prefer my family have a natural balanced diet which we have evolved to consume. There are articles that show longevity is associated with diets our ancestors lived on.
I have great respect for the average vegan, one that doesn't abuse those around them when he finds out that we eat meat, and don't have any major issues in doing so. I put you in this category, if I might call it one.
The boundary is crossed if I call you names, or if you call me names, something a fellow poster seems keen to do to anyone who consumes meat, or is a vegetarian consuming animal products, and can stand up and justify their position. I would correctly describe him as a fanatic.
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