TOT: edicashon

Dec 10, 2021 Last reply: 4 years ago 79 Replies
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Pennsylvania Dutch area of Pennsylvania. "Dumb Dutchmen" is a term commonly heard, except I would have expected more from her considering that she is an accomplished college graduate and an editor.

Well regional usage is regional usage. My Norfolk Grandfather used to say 'garridge' despite being a Cambridge educated engineer.

'Us' is very American, and no American I have heard recently ever uses the plural of an irregular verb.

Rembember American is the last relics of an English that was spoken in the West Country 500 years ago plus pidgin English adopted by slaves, plus every single gutter dialect from the emigrating hordes of poverty stricken Europe. Especially Oirish.

You should hear what Dutchman have to say about Afrikaans...the oldest country Dutch mangled by a very thick accent.

And you should hear what Germans have to say about Dutch....

On Friday, 17 December 2021 at 09:01:51 UTC, The Natural Philosopher wrote: My Norfolk Grandfather used to say 'garridge' despite being a Cambridge educated engineer.

My Welsh upbringing gave me "gararge" but when I used this to refer to "garage" music the 20-somethings I was talking to were in fits of laughter.

As of one voice they said 'garridge', 'garridge'............. it's 'garridge'!!!!

And I've never called it "gararge" since!

he is more of a teenager now than he ever was.

no one ever gets the amount of comments you get William, are you now OK with William? I note you use it in your identity now.

OTOH I have always learnt that it is 'hommidge' as an anglicised version of 'homage' but it is fashionable these days to pronounce it as 'hommarge'

Someone should tell the Scots it's not 'porridge', its 'porrarge' ...

Oddly enough I use both pronunciations of 'garage'...without knowing why I use a particular one.

Does it vary according to who you're talking to and how you think they'd pronounce it? Always 'garridge' for me ...

I think garridge is where I keep my car, but gararge is where I take it for servicing.

But it is not regional pronunciation; it is basic grammar that is taught in elementary school.

Would anybody ever say, "Us ran barefoot around that yard"?

Yes. That's very North country UK dialect

Give us a job, give us a break...when its the singular 'me' that is meant

A very small step to replace 'we' with 'us' as well.

I am fairly sure I've heard it up on the Fens as well, and for sure Manchester where its pronounced 'ooze'

Yup, here in UK there is too much confusion between subject and object case:

  1. Me and my friend went shopping. (Should be: My friend and I...)
  2. They invited my wife and I to dinner. (Should be: They invited my wife and me..., but then: My wife and I would be delighted to come)

The latter is SO prevalent among people who think they are being so correct, because they always got told to replace "me and my friend" in the first example with "my friend and I", with no explanation of the difference in case between "my friend and I" and "my friend and me". When referring to oneself and another person, just remove the other person from the sentence and see if the I or Me still sounds correct: They invited I to dinner?

Cheers Tony

Why turn it round "I and my friend ...." is perfectly OK.

However the current fashion is the (horrible) "Myself and my friend ...".

Forgot to put it in.

Bill

It came about by accident, but as it's now fashionable I've started to use it quite happily. There seems to be a bit of psychology going on here, because I'm finding that people who have only seen my name as William are a bit cagey and reserved to start with. Those who've only known me as Bill tend to start off by being quite matey, which in the case of service providers I don't like.

Bill

Haha! I?ve reached the ?grumpy old git who resents undue familiarity from strangers on the phone? age too. ;-)

?Can I call you Tim, or would you prefer Timothy??.

?Mr Downie please?.

Tim

Yes, horrible and deserves its own special smack botty.

Grammatically with regard to case, yes. I was just always taught it was polite to mention the other person before oneself, and old habits die hard.

Cheers Tony

Did you mean medical problems?

I never use 'I' even though it's correct, because people would think I'm putting on airs and graces rather than saying what they would say.

You mean 'his' and 'her', if you're talking of his or her bag, although you would say the bag is his or hers, or just that it's his or hers.

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