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I did a repair event in North London this week, and we had two auto-changer record players from the 1950's come in, both single valve amplifier, and one of them used an EL84. (Actually, we had three, but we didn't get time to look at the last one.)

The owner had already done his research on the internet and found the likely problem was the electrolytic capacitor had dried out. It was a single can with 3 capacitors inside, and he had bought replacement capacitors. He had removed the old capacitor (together with half the nearby PCB tracks;-) but then got cold feet about going any further. I soldered in the new capacitors (had to be on flying leads and tie-wrapped to the output transformer). Initially, it didn't work, at which point I had to mentally trace out the circuit on the board (very simple). There was no heater voltage at the valve, and I then realised the old capacitor which had 3 earth tags on the case was actually relying on two of them being connected by the old capacitor case (or by a track which was now gone). Having fixed that, it all sprung into life. The look on the guy's face was one of unbeliveable surprise - he clearly had never expected the gramaphone was ever going to work again!

The other gramaphone was not so easily repaired, sadly. At some point it had been stored in the damp. Most of it was not damaged at all, but the shaded pole deck motor laminations had rusted so they were forced apart. Initially I thought that wouldn't matter, but I had to remove the motor because it was siezed. Thought this would be one of the bearings, but having removed them, it was actually the rotor was jammed in the stator laminations by the rust. It wouldn't budge. Ran out of time at that point. The single valve in this one was a PCL, i.e. a triode pentode dual-stage amp.

I was a bit surprised finding a P... value in a single valve appliance - they were 300mA heater valves designed to be used in TVs and other appliances with many valves, so the heaters all ran as a single 300mA series chain, direct from mains via a dropper resistor if they didn't all add up to mains voltage. Conversely, the E... valves such as the EL84 above (single pentode) run on a

6.3V heater supply, which was provided by the mains transformer.
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Andrew Gabriel
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Is the Grama-Phone something akin to the old valve Spella-Phone that we miss so badly?

Reply to
The Natural Philosopher

Must have been from a fairly narrow window in time with a single valve, but PCB. By the time PCBs became common, most had gone over to transistors.

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Dave Plowman (News)

PCL84 was normally used for audio output the 85 for frame output applications...

Thats correct it might have been possible that someone at some stage replaced the valve thinking that the P and E didn't matter. However seeing that a mains tranny for heater supply would have cost they might have used a tapping on the motor, a sort of auto transformer?.

That single output pentode must have used one of the grove straightener cartridge's to drive it!. IIRC some developed around a volt output!..

Reply to
tony sayer

Remember 'mains' energised speakers? No permanent magnet, but an electro magnet where the coil doubled as a smoothing choke.

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Dave Plowman (News)

'Crystal' carts had a very high output impedance so eminently suitable for valves.

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Dave Plowman (News)

In article , Dave Plowman (News) scribeth thus

Err Yesss, we must be getting to be of a certain age;!...

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tony sayer

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