Slight OT ... pipeline practicalities

Some water already travels but not that far.

I believe that water from the Ouse is transferred to another river, flows down that river and is then transferred to one of Essex Water's reservoirs in Essex.

What do you think you are? A Victorian? :)

It is far more profitable to leave the leaks unmended and truck it down the A1 which is what they did last time Yorkshire Water got itself into serious trouble with dry reservoirs which was in the drought of 1995.

I expect with a bit of cunning you could route it across the UK - or it might be better move some of the people from the SE instead.

The BBC has recently relocated those who drew the short straw to Salford and they had to employ a motivational relocation consultant from America to persuade/bully people to move up North!

I don't usually quote The Sun but they were top Google hit:

The best guide to that is the London Water Ring Main (LWRM), which carries around 1 gigalitre per day, as compared to the 1.3 gigalitre per day that the Keilder Dam uses in its hydro electric plant. The main ring is about 80km long, uses 2.5m pipe, was built between 1988 and 1993 and cost about £250 million. Current estimates of cost for proposed extensions are around £9 million per km.

The Llangollen Canal was built as a water feed to the Shropshire Union and still provides water to a reservoir near Crewe. However, there is a distinct shortage of canals connecting to the main network when you get north of the Leeds - Liverpool canal. Further problems are that the water flow in some sections would need to be rather fast for many inland waterways pleasure boats and that open waterways lose water by evaporation, particularly in summer, when the water would be needed the most.

Colin Bignell

OK, so we'll nish the easier canal-based solution ...

Of course we'd have to wait for a recession to do it, otherwise there'd be a shortage of labour ... oh, hang on ..

Personally I would rather see £24 billion spent this way, than the £800 billion we are supposed to have given to the banks.

Why pump ?(pauses and checks) The Elan aquaduct uses gravity to move water 117Km

OK, I agree there. However, since abstracting from a river is clearly a last resort, I imagine the network is effectively leak free. I'm sure OFWAT will have seen to that.

Beyond the original post ....

Oi - you leave _our_ water alone :-)

An enterprising Mackem would have already sold it ... ("buyer collects").

Personally, not living in the SE[1], I rather don't care if they do run out of water. I'd just prefer it if they didn't kill the rivers off on the way.

I drove through Libya when the "man-made river project" was uderway. during half a day's driving, I saw around 250 truck carrying large pipe (possibly

The way we seem to work here these days would probably mean we'd be lucky to have an equivalent finished by the end of the century!

SteveW

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the London ring water main is 2.5m in diameter.

Likewise in Brum. I get water from a private company that never runs dry and has never been government owned so it didn't run the network down to keep labours spending up.

The more hype the water companies can put out about running short of water, the more they can ask for, and the more margin they can make. Hosepipe bans are one example, they save a miniscule percentage of water, vastly more leaks out of water company mains every day. And I'll bet the announcement was based on the water copmanies' say so.

NT

The Llangollen has a pretty noticeable current - I'd say about 2kts in the narrowest bits - and that doesn't really cause a problem. Not even to me as a novice on the back of 60ft of steel.

Andy

However, were it carrying the outflow from the Kielder Dam, the current through the Pontcysyllte Aqueduct would be around 16 knots.

Colin Bignell

There wasn't much current when I was there in the early 80s - there again there wasn't much water either, their being a drought! Boats were grounding all over the place.

SteveW

And in a few years it'll all move back down South, if history is anything to go by.

Drama and such progs can be made anywhere - usually not by the BBC directly anyway these days. But anything involving current affairs or the arts in its most general terms has its centre in London. Until they move parliament and all the theatres etc elsewhere. Which means shipping the majority of the people involved in such things up to Manchester and back. Very economical.

Sadly the BBC is run by failed accountants with what little common sense they once had bought out.

Gravity should be OK - it's downhill from the north of England, innit ? At least it's up from the sarf, so it must be down from the narf.

That's only in terms of latitude, by all other measures its downhill all the way north of Watford..

Some of us would far sooner see the south east disappear into a barren desert.

I'd advocate spending the 24 billion on beer, cheese, chocolate, fish and chips and the construction of a wall to keep the southerners away from our water.