rusty railings in Cadogan Square

[charles]

It's private property. The owner can make any conditions he likes.

[Uncle Peter]

Your jokes are Sofa King low.

[Uncle Peter]

Your jokes are Sofa King low.

[tim.....]

It's a letting contract between a business and an individual, it subject to consumer laws

tim

[Roland Perry]

In message , at 14:05:40 on Sun, 23 Nov 2014, tim..... remarked:

Maybe there's a back way in (tradesmans entrance in the old days)

[Roland Perry]

In message , at 14:48:24 on Sun, 23 Nov 2014, tim..... remarked:

But unlikely that such a condition would be ruled OFT-unfair.

[Roland Perry]

In message , at 14:46:56 on Sun, 23 Nov 2014, Uncle Peter remarked:

If not a sofa, then three chairs. Hip Hip Hooray.

[charles]

and which consumer law is being breached?

[Nightjar]

The machinery removal company I used to use had three blokes like that. They could move a 2 tonne lathe about as if it were nothing, something we had trouble doing with proper skates and roller crowbars. In fact, they were more reliable moving stuff by hand than when they used lifting equipment to do it; I had to get a bit of wall rebuilt after they used a fork lift truck to move one machine and got it wrong.

[tim.....]

really

I have to disagree with you

it's a stupid clause that has no place in a letting contract IMHO

tim

[tim.....]

I didn't say one was being breached

I said that the consumer has a right to challenge it because this is a business to consumer contract, and that "It's private property. The owner can make any conditions he likes" simply does not apply here.

tim

[tim.....]

"back ways" are still communal areas.

tim

[charles]

Consider the primary fire exit from the apartments. If it gets blocked by furniture - what happens to those trying to leave the building?

[Tim Watts]

How often is furniture moved? IME of flats a full removal happens once a year at most and odd items like a bit of furniture or a new washing machine, maybe a very few times a year for about 10-20 mins.

[charles]

A 10 or 20 minutes blockage of a fire escape route in a fire could be whether you live or die.

[stuart noble]

Can't see that. Push the bloody sofa on to the nearest landing. 10-20 seconds maybe

[polygonum]

Have you never seen a sofa stuck such that it appears impossible to do anything except cut it up? Or a washing machine that requires a superhuman shove but you can't reach the bit that needs the shove? Things go wrong when doing major moves and when they do, emergency exits might well be blocked.

[ARW]

:-)

Brilliant.

[newshound]

It's an impressive combination of strength and technique, isn't it. I remember two of us struggling together to move a test rig at all, while one labourer (not *that* much bigger than us) moved it like it was a kitchen chair.

[Tim Watts]

Funny - it does not seem to be a problem in the millions of modern blocks of flats in the UK.