In message , at 11:30:03 on Sat, 22 Nov 2014, Tim Watts remarked:
Removal men do the strangest things. One lot I employed decided they could save time by moving several four-drawer filing cabinets, complete with contents, out of an upstairs window to be "caught" by a couple of colleagues halfway up a ladder. I was expecting them at the very least to remove the drawers and then take the various pieces down the stairs.
Can't say I've seen that happening, perhaps they use leccy ones;)...
Mind you seen the price of a crane hire these days?, we've got one of the go next week an 80 ton jobbie, £1700 quid on contract hire;!..
And many Houses over there are fitted with beams in the gable with a pulley. Don't know if any thing over here has been routinely built like that. Then again with modern safety regulations could they be used without being regulary tested . I wouldn't want to lift something on a fixing that may not have been used for some years and been up there for a hundred or more.
G.Harman
OTOH hand looking at the ropes in some photos they are quite substantial and good rope doesn't come cheap. They weren't using some old blue stuff retrieved from a skip where cable pullers had been working .
G.Harman
It is interesting that many comments in the press are saying things about ht elack of Risk Assessments and other H&S processes. The same people are probaly critial of H&S interference on other issues. Can't have it both ways!
In message , at
13:54:26 on Sat, 22 Nov 2014, DerbyBorn remarked:Yes you can... both ways sells newspapers.
It's very simple.
H&S is unnecessary interference whilst nobody gets hurt, but a criminally forgotten essential if somebody has been.
Awaiting Uncle Peters reply that he has loads of balconies fall on his head without causing a problem and that risk assesments are for big girls blouses.
The thing that is often misunderstood is "risk assessment".
Most people seem to regard this as filling in a form for arse covering purposes.
Whereas it really means:
Think about what you are about to do. What could go wrong? What assumptions are we making? Should be test those assumptions.
It's not very nice to play the hindsight game on these 2 fellows' deaths
- but (with suitable hindsight and much conjecture):
"We are hauling something heavy with pulleys attached to these railings."
"Are the railings strong enough?" "And in the direction of the forces?" "Can we test them?". "What will happen if the load and/or what it's fixed to falls?" "Can we have that happen in the worst case without hurting anyone?"
It's really quite hard to say how many of those questions could be asked up front with common sense and taking 10 minutes just to walk and talk about the risks.
In a lot of companies this is exactly what those who are in charge of H&S have made it
In article , Roland Perry writes
As I'm sure you knew that this was an unsafe practice, I'm surprised you let them continue, as once you knew it was unsafe and you permitted them to continue, you shared the responsibility for their unsafe actions and the injuries that could have resulted.
LOL - I was just about to post something similar ;-)
(still it could explain his apparent brain damage)
[Opera saw your reference to my name]
Unlike modern H&S lovers, I have two eyes and look out for such things. Why do adults expect to be treated like little kids and looked after?
Here's a similar one
and from the UK
Chris
The ones I've seen are a bit like this:
minus the Covent Garden style "illusion" of course!
I have a friend in Paris who plays piano. He lives on a second floor flat, and some years ago he bought a brand new full size Steinway concert grand piano, but was rather worried about how they would deliver it. Apparently, it came with a guy looking like Mr T, who took the legs off, and walked up two floors with it on his back.
I've been in Amsterdam quite a bit (was the head office for one of my employers), and I see the built-in pulleys used quite often. If they are inspected as often as Dutch electrical appliances in hotels, that would be never ;-)
Let me guess, last time you had pointy railing through the head you dabbed the wound with some Dettol, and it was fine... Just lucky it missed all your major organs.
I don't jump onto pointy railings. It's the people who believe in H&S that are morons, they need looking after because they're too stupid to avoid death themselves.
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