Red diesel

Mar 04, 2020 Last reply: 6 years ago 46 Replies

Be interesting how they handle cross-border issues. Like RoI's Green diesel.

Will NI people who are able cross to RoI to top up with Green?

Even if that is illegal, getting rid of Red would probably result in no, or almost no, HMRC/BF inspections and dipping.

Quite often you get it in drums from fuel oil suppliers, rather than "on tap" so to speak.

Strangely enough there is a old filling stattion on the main A29 heading south of Horsham that has a red derv pump. Even their electronic sign at the front shows the price. They do white diesel and 4* too.

It's the only filling station that I have seen in recent years selling it.

In Northern Ireland even less difference, since 'washing out' the red dye is widespread.

The Morrisons in Ipswich has two red diesel pumps.

Some time back the EU decreed that pleasure craft could no longer use 'red/green' diesel.Problem was all the suppliers on Ireland's inland waterways only ever supplied red/green so the customs agreed private boaters could continue using red/green but once a year should report to the customs the quantity used and pony up the difference in the two tax rates. Yea right like that's going to happen.

Incidentally red and green diesel can both be washed.

The dye maybe, but there are other tracers or at least that is what we are lead to believe. B-)

And don't forget yellow for 28sec kerosene aka paraffin, heating oil.

Bit of a contradiction there, Diesel Engined Road Vehicle pump with red gas oil

Tiniest traces of radioactive marker ?

Not in anything I read.

Yes it struck me as quite high but then anything diesel powered and not licenced for road use probably runs on red. Construction machinery and the like. Anyway 55.1 l of red later and £49.54 lighter in the wallet I might be £25.68 (£30.81 inc VAT) up next week. Which probably means the duty won't go up on red or the duty freeze on road fuels removed.

Like what? I see no electric tractors, combine harvesters, construction machinery...

That's what I'm expecting ie and increase of 46.6 p/l + VAT.

"Developed by the chemical company Dow, a chemical ? ((3-(sec-butyl)-4-(decyloxy)phenyl)methanetriyl) tribenzene ? is added to the diesel as a marker. Once it has been added to the fuel, it is difficult to remove ? giving HMRC a better chance of identifying any fraud. The marker is easily detected using gas chromatography-mass spectrometry ? but laboratory testing means delays in combatting the fraud."

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It's just Brian belling the cat again.

Ta, I didn't realise they'd both changed and gone public.

I have noticed that many of the hire shops pull that ruse as well. Send a machine back with less than a full tank, and they charge you DERV prices to replenish what was used, yet it usually comes pre-filled with red.

I was once involved in testing two 24MW gas-turbine powered generator sets. We burnt 250,000 litres while testing. Peak rate was 120 litres per minute! A very, very small quantity of it was used for the on-site crane, forklift, welding sets and lighting towers.

SteveW

Some do grow their own fuel, biodiesel.

Yes, back in 2007. And as far as I can tell, the UK agreed.

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