Re: George Floyd's Unreported Past

[Brian Gaff (Sofa)]

How on earth does that excuse what happened?

I don't care if he had been a mass murderer, he deserved to be treated like a human being while presumed innocent. Brian

[Caecilius]

Obviously it doesn't, but one of the problems is the lack of unbiased reporting and the failure of the press to analyze complex issues.

This is not limited to the George Floyd incident or even to the US - look at the coverage of any divisive and complex issue in the UK. The popular press always have an "opinion" which they reenforce by selective reporting.

It's also worth noting that good controls sometimes come from bad people. For example Ernesto Miranda was a pretty horrible person, but the treatment of his confession led to the right to remain silent/right to an attorney "Miranda Warning".

[Caecilius]

That doesn't excuse brutal treatment. The police should have the equipment and techniques to restrain violent people without seriously harming them, and their vehicles could be designed to prevent damage by unruly passengers.

At least we agree on something.

[Richard]

I know. The police should have one person who thinks like you to accompany them at all times and be first to subdue the alleged drug crazed alleged violent alleged criminal.

[Stephen Cole]

It?s perfectly achievable for the police to subdue crazed individuals without killing them and, indeed, by using only required minimal force:

[Cursitor Doom]

Haha! That *would* be nice. Unfortunately the true job of the media - especially the cost-free media, is to form public opinion as the proprietors wish it to be.

[Cursitor Doom]

Ha! Now *that* I would really like to see! :-D

[charles]

or, just make money for the proprietor

[Dave Plowman (News)]

Good grief. I take it them you don't and never have bought a newspaper?

With so much news around, a main stream broadcast may not bother to update a report as more facts become available. Simply due to time restraints.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

Are newspapers free, then? They are the part of the meja who report what and how their readers want.

[Richard]

Or, more likely, because the *true facts* are inconvenient.

[The Natural Philosopher]

In fact their job is to sell advertising space. So that for example te telegraph had two 'environmental correspondents' whilst renewable energy had deep pockets, who would cut and paste press releases about climate change and renewable energy into 'news'. When the money ran out they were 'let go'.

Left Woke politics is administered and controlled by big business and capital, to provide a narrative to encourage people to vote and buy the way that suits big business.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

In your warped mind, any conspiracy is likely.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

Given so much of the angst on here is directed at the BBC, an 'interesting' view.

Then I hope in future you'll no longer mention anything from the Torygraph, since you consider it unreliable.

What is your latest smoking material?

[Cursitor Doom]

Funny. I don't recall the Telegraph having the power to force people to buy it or face imprisonment and a huge fine.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

Good to see your argument is as logical as usual. An answer to a question or point not made.

But why does the BBC concern you given no longer live here? You like to interfere in other counties?

[Cursitor Doom]

You know damn well what I meant. No one is forced to buy the Telegraph. If I pick up the Express every morning, I'm not obliged to pay for the Telegraph as well, am I? Even if I don't take it!

I want to free my brothers; my fellow Angles, back in England.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

No one is forced to buy a TV licence either. And you don't need one for BBC radio.

Is the sort of lie I'd expect from you.

[Cursitor Doom]

I care a damn sight more about the working classes in Britain than you ever did or will, Dave. Remember when Kraft took over Cadbury? They made certain undertakings WRT to keeping jobs and plant in the UK - then as soon as the ink was dry on the contract they promptly renaged on that and shifted production to China. Since that day onwards, I have never bought any Cadbury product. Not one- and I never will. Pity more people aren't loyal to their fellow Britons like me. We might still have been the great country we once were. What have YOU ever done for British working people, Dave?

[#Paul]

Well, not buying one particular brand of chocolate is a pretty high bar, I must say. I'd suggest that Dave walks quietly away from this particular pissing contest - he's got no chance.

#Paul