Part P - Downstairs Toilet

[Christian McArdle]

No. Toilets do not count as special locations. It would need a bath, shower, swimming pool or sauna to do that.

Christian.

[TheScullster]

Hi all

Does a downstairs toilet with hand basin constitute a "special location" according to Part P?

I have replaced the extractor fan in there at the weekend and added a 3 pole isolator. Any other safety measures that I should have considered (yes I know it's a bit late now)?

TIA

Phil

[TheScullster]

"Christian McArdle" wrote

Thanks Christian, thought it was worth a check even a belated one.

Phil

[Fred]

Wouldn't a toilet with a washbasin count?

[Christian McArdle]

No. Not being a special location, it doesn't need supplementary bonding either.

Christian.

[David Hansen]

On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:11:11 +0100 someone who may be "Fred" wrote this:-

No. Some people get disturbed when they see a shaver socket without isolating transformer in such locations, but there is no requirement for such a gadget.

One of the reasons for the difference is that much insulation comes from dry feet, socks and shoes. These are unlikely to be always present in a room containing a (fixed, as the regulations used to charmingly state) bath or shower, but are likely in a room containing just a wash hand basin.

[Owain]

Or, under Part P, a cooker ...

Owain

[Christian McArdle]

Not quite. Part P talks about "kitchens and special locations", somewhat indicating that a kitchen isn't a special location.

Christian.

[Andy Wade]

Just in case anyone thought that the galvanized bath-tub that you hang up in the scullery when you've finished needs bonding :~)

[Splodge]

If it's of any help to you, this is about the clearest, concise guide to what's notifiable and what's not that I've seen to date. As it's written by NICEIC it should be authoritative, too....

[<me9]

[Splodge]

Plonk !!.....

[Hugo Nebula]

On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 17:02:09 +0100, a particular chimpanzee named "Christian McArdle" randomly hit the keyboard and produced:

Because one of the main reasons that Part P was brought in was due to the crappy and dangerous installations by certain kitchen fitting companies (who have got themselves covered by the "competent persons" scheme so don't need to notify anyone).

[David Hansen]

On Sun, 30 Apr 2006 13:48:36 +0100 someone who may be Hugo Nebula wrote this:-

The main reason Part P was bought in was to avoid overseas companies claiming the Wiring Regulations are, at best, a voluntary document and at worst an illegal barrier to trade. Had Westminster officials and party politicians followed the example set in Scotland long ago there would be no problem. However, for whatever reasons they had to gold plate things, a common failing.

IIRC kitchens were added to the mess after a campaign by an MP, whose daughter was killed by the dodgy wiring of one of these kitchen fitting companies.

[meow2222]

a company is ignoring the law, so instead of enforcement, we'll bring in another law they'll also ignore. Very clever.

NT

[Huge]

Standard New Labour Operating Procedure, though.

[Steve Firth]

"We did something about it, we passed a law."

I don't think the law is ever intended to have teeth or indeed to affect anyone other than the conscienctious.

[Dave]

And this particular one, a heap of shi** from none other that heap of shi** producer, Prescot I believe.