OT: what's behind the Irish Border question

[The Natural Philosopher]

[fred]

So let go back to 25 years of bombings, murder and mayhem. Dont forget the 'Freedom Fighters' brought their campaign to what is misleading called 'the mainland' so any shit stirred up now may go way beyong Northern Ireland's borders.

Just markoing your cards

[Jethro_uk]

I suspect a rebooted pIRA would carry on where they left off, and just make the City of London extremely unattractive for Megacorp plc. Which, given Brexit, would take some doing.

They learned during the last conflict that they could kill thousands of civilians, and nothing would happen. One bomb at Canary Wharf, and it's "would you like fries with that, lads ?"

[The Natural Philosopher]

I see you simply didn't bother to read the article.

Just making a fool of yourself...

[alan_m]

So the EU in the guise of Eire is going to sponsor terrorism again?

[charles]

It wasn't the financial bit there they were after.

[Brian Gaff]

Exactly, If we could have carried on without this Eu question for another 10 years I think they would now be part of Ireland with a rewritten constitution so all Europe are effectively the same country.

Brian

[Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp]

No, a means to an end.

It was a damned sight more effective and less unpopular than blowing up civilians though.

I wonder when the prayer mat wielding plonkers are going to arrive at that conclusion, although I suppose their demands are a little more extreme. As far as I'm aware, Isis and similar simply want vengance, so perhaps an attack on property isn't seen as a route to "success". No virgins I assume?

AB

[charles]

No, it was aimed at a building.

But the bomb did kill those workig ay the nearby newsagent.

[Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp]

Terrorism steps in where there is injustice, I somehow doubt that blowing things up for the sake of damage to individuals or buildings is not a primary aim. The aim basically is to instil fear into the opposition.

Now bombing people in the UK might produce a fair bit of fear, but for the maximum amount of fear in the correct place, hitting those that already have large amounts of wealth in their pockets is going to be far more productive.

If ordinary people in the UK mattered, we would not be whittling away at the NHS, taxing the disabled with two bedrooms and relying on food banks to support the poorest of Britain.

Were they not black? Probably unintentional. Now if they were a couple of blonde 17 year olds with large mammaries, they would still be appearing o the front page of the Sun, once a month at least.

AB

[charles]

The building had nothing to do with wealth

[Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp]

Terrorists are not into buildings or people, it's fear. The area was in the Docklands and the damage estimated at 150 million.

£150 million is wealth to some.

Anyway injustice and ignorance has been part & parcel of British rule over Ireland and most of the world. If people are subjected to injustice they will fight back, enven against overwhelming odds. Look at the Palestinians.

The other thing that aids terrorism is unemployment. You might wish to remember that.

Trying to seperate people will not have much effect in the short term when everyone is occupied, but come a downturn then these differences will become an all encompassing route to violence.

AB

AB

[Roger Hayter]

Sorry I can't help pedantry. And the main point that, if you must have Brexit, the only place for the British border is at British ports is so obvious that I can't see how a few grotesque fundamentalist terrorist supporters can seriously expect otherwise.

[Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp]

Well they shouldn't. May's Brexit plan is supported by people that have no wish to see that happen. I wonder if we will get our billion back?

AB

[harry]

It's the EUs problem, not ours. Let them think of a solution.

[fred]

Let me see. The UK decides to exit the EU and the consequences are the EU's fault?

[samchunk]

Yep, when the EU is too stupid to continue to allow that open border.

There already is one with Norway and Switzerland.

[Tim Streater]

If the EU decides to force the Republic to put in a hard border, then yes.

As has been pointed out by many, there is *already* a border between NI and the Republic. It is a tax, fiscal, and VAT border. And guess what - checks on all these are already done - away from the border.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

Can you explain why you want 'sovereignty' for the UK - but not any other country? With that other country being in effect the EU as regards borders?

Think having one's cake and eating it describes what most Brexiteers seem to expect.

If Eire doesn't want to observe their EU agreement, it's up to them to leave the EU.

[charles]

but under strictly controlled conditions.