OT: Victoria

The ITV drama 'Victoria' was first class. Good lighting. Camera work so professional you were never aware of it. Good clear sound. No absurd political correctness.

If the BBC had made it it would have been filmed in the dark. The camera would have wobbled, the dialogue would have been muffled, and Lord Melbourne would have been a black transgender person in a wheelchair.

Bill

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Bill Wright
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Bullshit. There was nothing like that in Wallander.

Reply to
KYW

Ah, that's because that was made by an independent company.

Reply to
The Natural Philosopher

Kenneth Branagh Wallander was co-produced by Yellow Bird a Swedish company.

Most BBC drama is made by contractors not the BBC.

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Martin

Haven't you forgotten the scratched film effect because it was shot in the 1800s.

Reply to
alan_m

as is most "BBC" stuff these days.

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charles

And who made that? It is obviously outside my ability to talk about picture quality and the interpretation of characters as I'd not know if that was justified, but I do unfortunately find that many BBC made dramas are full of background noise, sometimes muffled as if the microphone is under a scarf, and the dialogue formulaic. Victoria is not my kind of thing, but the parts I did listen to were I thought well acted and scripted for their entertainment value, not just some lacklustre dumbed down written down the pub type of stuff I've found on many recent BbC series. Maybe the ITV exercise better control over their contracted production companies than bbc do.

On the other hand maybe they can just afford the time to get it right?

Brian

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Brian Gaff

I think, Brian, they cant afford to be arty and self indulgent and partisan and get it WRONG.

Because their income depends on audience figures, not political will.

Reply to
The Natural Philosopher

All of the drama done by the BBC is now.

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KYW

So his original claim is just plain mindless bigotry.

Reply to
KYW

Or more likely there is no real difference between what the BBC and ITV produce now drama wise.

Reply to
KYW

the problems that Bill suggests are, in general, up to the Director of the show. In the same way that, a few years' ago, we went to see a performance of A Midsummer Night's Dream and were perturbed to read in the programme notes that the director, who had never directed anything by Shakespeare before, thought it would be 'fun' to set the play in a snowstorm.

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charles

In message , Bill Wright writes

From what I've read in the press, the ITV version of Lord Melbourne is hardly more true to life. Apparently they've made him a good-looking middle-aged man, when in reality he was almost sixty and fat. Victoria saw him as a father figure, rather than fancying him as she does in the TV series.

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John Hall

In this vien, try reading the main item of Rod Liddle's column in yesterday's Sunday Times. It explains quite a lot about the BBC.

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Woody

True, he was 40 years older than her.

Initially I thought the actress playing Victoria was too pretty for that old battle axe but she did settle in to it nicely, i.m.h.o.

On the other hand I thought the C.G.I. very poor. Marble Arch plonked down like a piece of iced confection on a wedding cake and the crowd scenes un-realistic and wasn't there very few at that ball ?

All things being equal I will watch more of it.

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fred

Same with ITV. 'In house' drama productions are rather rare these days.

And in what is mainly a freelance world, the same people can make both ITV and BBC nominal productions.

But of course the main purpose of Bill's posts - cross posted as usual - is to knock the BBC.

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Dave Plowman (News)

I was watching something recently, might have been the Queen Mary documentary on BBC4, and they were using the scratched film effect on bloody STILL PHOTOS!

Reply to
Halmyre

Did you expect anything else? :-)

Reply to
Martin

As a minor point, the 1800s started in 1800 and ended in 1809. It's a common mistake to use 'the 1800s' meaning the whole century.

Bill

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Bill Wright

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