OT Some climate change stuff

In article , Tim Streater writes

beagles

In article , Chris Hogg writes

It was the leaked e-mails from University of East Anglia (or was it Essex?) which did it for me.

Yeah. They taught beagles to smoke too.

Poor beagles.

It falls into the same thing as one Brexiteer argument. The vast majority of experts were in favour of remaining. But experts are not always right, and don't always agree, so let's totally ignore them.

And oddly, the climate change deniers tend to be the same people as voted to leave the EU.

Since experts are best ignored since they know no more than the layman, do they just ask around the public bar when feeling unwell, rather than going to the doctor? Get their gardener to fix their TV?

UEA.

They were revealing, because they showed that the scientists had some doubts. This is no criticism, and no bad thing at all. Feynman used to point out that you could recognise really good scientists by the trouble they took to test and try to invalidate their current pet theory. Something we don't seem to see enough of these days, IMHO.

One of them said something like "We need to get rid of the medieval warm period" which was taken by some to imply a serious proposal to deliberately cook the figures.

I take the more charitable view that this was a shorthand within the group to say that the simplest models were not going to be viable. There is nothing wrong at looking at data which don't seem to support a theory firstly to see whether they are in fact correct and, if they are, then whether there is a subsidiary explanation for them which does not invalidate a more general model.

That's because he was a proper scientist.

Well the figures that emerged had no MWP.

And what in science could justify the need to eradicate something factual?

You are joking, right?

Weasel.

No, Christopher Monckton made that phrase up to imply a proposal to cook the figures.

What was actually said was, "Hi Keith and Tim ? since you?re off the 6.2.2 hook until Eystein hangs you back up on it, you have more time to focus on that new Box. In reading Valerie?s Holocene section, I get the sense that I?m not the only one who would like to deal a mortal blow to the misuse of supposed warm period terms and myths in the literature. The sceptics and uninformed love to cite these periods as natural analogs for current warming too ? pure rubbish."

"We need to get rid of the medieval warm period" seems a natural analogs for that statement.

Well since that is a total lie you should be the expert on climate denial.

To a dishonest conspiracy nut perhaps.

Where's the lie in that statment? Do you have anything more substantial from the email leak or are you denying that climate deniers lie (like the one you snipped from above?)

Well climate deniers lie all right and their lies form the IPCC reports in bulk.

But you are correct that climate deniers such as yourself always pick the least damaging statement from the emails to downplay the fraud

LOL.

Another fail, I didn't pick that statment.