OT On fracking (economics)

[Tim Streater]

Oh feel free to move to the North pole old chap. We'll kick your arse as you leave.

[harry]

There's many different systems of fracking Eg

[tim...]

how am I going to heat my flat then?

tim

[The Natural Philosopher]

nuclear electricity

[newshound]

They seem to rely on ski-mobiles and powered boats these days. Of course back in the little ice age they made their way down to Orkney and/or Shetland.

[newshound]

Heating is a decadent capitalist luxury and won't be allowed.

"Momentum said climate change was caused not by ordinary people but by elites, and Labour was right to push the government to recognise the urgency and scale of the impending environmental crisis. ?It?s disgraceful that Theresa May has sat on her hands, refused to meet the climate strikersand ignored the huge public outcry about the climate crisis,? said Laura Parker, a Momentum spokesperson. ?Climate change isn?t caused by ordinary people. It?s caused by elite politicians, oil executives and bankers who all profit from causing climate breakdown.? She added: ?Only Labour can challenge this climate-wrecking elite and deliver a green industrial revolution, which will mitigate climate breakdown whilst transforming our economy and society in the interests of the many, not the few.?"

[Vir Campestris]

Those were the campaigners with the plastic boat freshly painted pink with oil based paints weren't they?

Andy

[newshound]

No no, the multinational capitalists *made* them do it in the interest of profits.

[dennis]

The ones that cause lots of pollution by slowing down the traffic and jetting around the world.

The do as we say not as we do brigade.

[tim...]

Well I suppose that there's an element of truth in the theory that these elites somehow knobble the process of dissuading the hoi polloi from reducing their use of these polluting products thereby increasing (or at least, not decreasing) their use.

But even if you do stop the elites from knobbing the system, you still actually have to find a way to dissuade the hoi polloi from using the polluting product.

No-one uses extra (insert name here) polluting product just because they can. They do so because they want the benefit that it gives them (a means to carry their shopping home, warmer house, faster means of transport etc, etc, etc)

tim

[tim...]

Never having been there:

does one actually have time to "get under your desk"

tim

[newshound]

Agreed. I should have used an irony tag. Similarly, the reasons the supermarkets use (expensive) plastic is that it saves waste and labour and gives them an edge by keeping the overall costs down. Pure Adam Smith.

<Four Yorkshiremen> But you try and tell the young people today that...

[newshound]

Plenty of CCTV seems to suggest "yes".

[dennis]

How does that explain the existence of things like the body shop where they only have polluting products that people don't actually need.

How many of the demonstrators have looked at how much pollution their makeup causes?

Or their bottled water?

[dennis]

Under the desk isn't the best place if its a major quake and buildings are collapsing. Under those circumstances survivors are found in the voids between stuff that will support the cr@p falling and desk in general don't.

[The Natural Philosopher]

Typical large earthquakes last tens of seconds or even minutes.

Tremors mere seconds

[Tim Streater]

There are plenty of thickies in the world. Get Emma Thompson to explain it to you.

[Tim Streater]

Yes, Earthquakes can go on for quite some time.

My first was a 6.0, but a couple of hundred miles away, so all we got was a prolonged gentle swaying. Next was a much closer 6.0, so we got under the tables. Finally was the 7.1 that you may have seen bits of on the telly with freeways collapsing and bits of San Francisco on fire. That lasted 20 secs or so.

After the first one, I paid a bloke to bolt my house to its foundations.

[Tim Streater]

The building I was in had been built to be bombproof, so the advice was get under the desk, because of bookcases or ceiling tiles or stuff falling from the ceiling void.

Most Yankee buildings don't collapse, because they actually enforce the earthquake provisions in the building codes.

[Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp]

He isn't too with it poor chap. A simple error for a Brexit merchant to make.

Fortunately I do know exactly what he meant.

It,s the hand, eye co-ordination problem, compounded with a lack of processing power [The organic type] and keys that are too close together.

Not really uncommon for people that have the misfortune and lack of wherewithal to believe Boris.

AB