My ancient rusting bike in the garage has one of those. When it ran, it
could use either the upper three gears or the lower three gears,
depending on where you adjusted the control chain. But never all 4
Mock ye not. We gave our old Octavia to daughter about 18 months ago
before she got married. They live in the south west and had been up to
see us last Autumn and were driving back when the little oil-can light
came on. She rang in a panic as to what it meant.
My daughter has a PhD and is a senior lecturer at one of the countries
most popular universites. He husband does the Intranet for one of the
mobile SPs. Neither of them even had the idea to RTFM!!
First, cars really are harder to home fix now by someone who is just
starting out, harder to just start fiddling with. My first car, a
fiesta, had an engine that would have fitted twice over in the
compartment and every bit was identifiable and understandable - and no
My current car, you would need a confidence boost before you were
prepared to even start looking for the engine under all the matt black
covers and plating, let alone start working on it.
Second, young people don't seem to buy old crocks any more - you used to
have to keep working on them just to keep them going but they all seem
to drive around in flash numbers that are only a few years old. :-)
No they don't do that there're deprived, they have no idea of the joys
of decoking an olde moggy minor or trying to change the fan belt on a
Mini beside the road in the pouring rain, poor sods.!.
Understood theres waay to much expensive electric's in the modern motah
I was just told that a replacement dashboard for a new style Audi A 6
was around 1800 squids!.
And I do see hapless taxi drivers in a workshop being told their ECU
needs changing and thats the price of a second-hand motah.
However a bit of knowledge of how the thingy works, and that hasn't
changed since Mercedes was a girl, doesn't go amiss:)...
They are in fact MUCH easier to fix now when a $10 OBDII
adapter will tell you which bit has failed and you just change that.
And much harder to work out what has failed when something does.
And you don't have anything like the same level of routine maintenance
like timing and plugs to do as you used to have to do either.
Corse they do. I have just recently had one knock on the door to
ask me why the brakes where getting literally stinking hot when
he was test driving it, because he still had the handbrake on.
He later had me get a set of tools for him from the garage
sales and had me show him how to change the plugs etc.
In my old Nissan Primera, everything was controlled by micro processors.
Everything was preset in the factory for the life of engine. There was nothing
to tinker with.
I got rid of the car after 16 years. The engine ran perfectly all those years.
And everything's status codes and flashing icons these days. We bought a
brand new car and later that day, after driving it for about 30 miles, it
suddenly lost power and an engine-management icon started to flash, with no
other information. Given that the car has two LCD displays, you'd think they
could have displayed a message describing what the fault was that had been
Fortunately the loss of power was only temporary and the car was fine to
drive to the garage in the morning where they spent ages checking it out
thoroughly. Apparently it was a fault in a sensor that measures turbo boost
pressure, which temporarily put the car into limp home mode until the fault
cleared - but the flashing warning continued until it was manually reset by
Similarly my Peugeot has just started giving a warning about the diesel
particulate filter and it actually displays a message, though it says "Risk
of filter blocking" without saying whether it's fuel, air or particulate
filter :-( Given that the car hasn't done much stop-start urban driving and
has had long runs which will heat up the DPF to burn off the soot, I suspect
this too is a case of a transient fault which is no longer being detected
but has latched on until the garage reset it.
I had a Pontiac in the US, that was a blast to drive, but after
120,000 miles it started to lose communication with the ECU, so it ran
in limp mode, and wouldn't tell anybody what was wrong. Only the
tachometer worked. Every garage wanted to charge $80 just to plug the
analyser in, and then to change the ECU, which wasn't the problem and
would have cost at least a couple of hundred bucks. On its last journey,
I had to sit at traffic lights with the revs. above 3500 to keep it from
stalling. (This on Detroit's 8 Mile Road).
I heard of somebody scrapping a Nissan Sunny because of excessive rust,
and they tried to haggle with the breakers about the scrap value because
the engine ran beautifully. He was told that the engine was worthless
because nobody ever needed another one.
On Wed, 05 Aug 2015 11:04:51 +0100, Indy Jess John
There was no rust on my Primera. Plastic parts were getting a bit brittle
though. As far as I know, the car was deregistered and shipped to Africa.
There's a car transporter that takes old cars from the Europoort(Rotterdam) to
West Africa once a month.
Yup. ISTR BIL had an omega that maxed out at 220k miles on original
engine. Just was falling apart bodywork wise and a lot of MOT stuff came
all at once.
Commercial diesels reckon on a million miles don't they?
New Socialism consists essentially in being seen to have your heart in
the right place whilst your head is in the clouds and your hand is in
My Peugeot 306 had done 160k miles when I sold it after 10 years, and it was
still in good condition (mechanically and body) but it had got to the stage
when it started to cost more - two new fan belts (second was because first
had failed due to bent pulley rather than just due to age of belt, and first
garage hadn't noticed that but wouldn't pay for second repair), new cat or
turbo (I forget which) etc. But it survived a further couple of years - its
final MOT expired on its 13th birthday so I presume it was scrapped some
time just before then.
And my present Peugeot 308 has done 156k miles so far in 7 years and that's
still running perfectly - still bags of power and fuel economy is still
good. And still on original clutch which is incredible - every other car
I've has has needed a new clutch at about 70k. I've had a few niggly
problems with the emissions and anti-pollution system - it's in the garage
at the moment having a warning with the diesel particulate filter
investigated (*) and the fuel-additive system (sounds a bit like AdBlue that
commercial vehicles use) had to be replaced a while ago. That's excluding
the normal wear-and-tear things like brakes and routine things like new
cambelt at about 140k miles.
It may well get up to the 220k miles that your BIL's car managed but I doubt
I'll keep it long enough for it to reach the million ;-)
(*) It's probably sulking because my wife's just got a new car and we'll be
using that for most of our holidays and days out from now on :-)
The drivers seat on my 309 wore out at about 100k miles - so I managed to
swap it with the front passenger's one. But all sorts of silly things kept
needing replacing - all adding up to far more than the car was worth.
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