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dennis@home.?.invalid writes

Xerox and DEC were early players in the ethernet scene. XNS (Xerox Network System) formed the basis of the early ethernet implementations. I was implementing such systems commercially in about 1983. ICL had company wide network at the time. IBM of course refused to accept anyone else's standards and came up with their utterly hopeless token ring system. - "some of our tokens are missing" was often the despairing cry in network Support. The mainframe suppliers including ICL were determined that the mainframe would remain king and control the network and of course they were ultimately proved totally wrong.
I first came across TCP in about 1983/4 with a bespoke office system when Mini's first appeared. Can't remember what it was called but dumb terminals hung of the central system which provided e-mail, word processing and a few applications. Spreadsheet database and the like. This is what I was told at the time. TCP or Transaction Control Program, was produce by General Motors as part of a batch system to control demand and supply of parts around their production lines. You know the sort of thing - punched cards input and pages and pages of printout of which only about two were relevant. Then they went to interactive input and TCP/IP was born - the IP bit stranding for interactive protocol. I can't vouch for this other than it's what I was told in marketing briefings.
ICL took the system and transferred it to UNIX and sold it as Officepower. No idea how many they sold. I put one into Sandwell Hospital in Birmingham.
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Sorry and all that but this is cock, I'm afraid. TCP stands for Transmission Control Protocol and IP stands for Internet Protocol.

Mmmmm no, not really. See here:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_protocol_suite>
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On 03/08/2015 16:23, Tim Streater wrote:

OK TCP networking rather than uucp over serial links, etc.
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On 03/08/15 14:38, dennis@home wrote:

It can and does
if it did then the program could start executing

No, that's not how it works. Shows how little you understand about linux.
Ret doing te research.

Exactly.

You haven't understood what I said then

Really?
https://technet.microsoft.com/en-gb/magazine/2007.11.desktopfiles.aspx "...But over time, even NTFS performance can suffer due to less-than-optimal file placement. This gave birth to a thriving market of third-party defragmentation tools."

What os were they running and what disk format did they use?
Liunx supports FAT and BTDS you know...ut just tries not to make them default, because they are resoanbl;y crap

Again you betray a staggering amount of ignorance.
"In 1965, Thomas Marill and Lawrence G. Roberts created the first wide area network (WAN). This was an immediate precursor to the ARPANET, of which Roberts became program manager." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_network#History
Unix was first written in 1969., 4 years later..
Lets look at the internet - the first internet was DARPAnet..
"In August 1968, after Roberts and the DARPA funded community had refined the overall structure and specifications for the ARPANET, an RFQ was released by DARPA for the development of one of the key components, the packet switches called Interface Message Processors (IMP's). "
http://www.internetsociety.org/internet/what-internet/history-internet/brief-history-internet
Cisco - which was one of the first dedicated routers- wasn't formed until 1984.
Prior to that Unix computers were the most common internet routers.

What are you dribbling about?

Actually it wasn't.
I installed a modem on a SCO linux system to pickup email for a form of lwayers. 50 laywers had terminal to that little box, and te Unix cots about £1000 and te apps a bit more.
Cosrt per desktop was a couple of huindsred, and one laywer kept it goimng in his spare time.
The typical price of a PC on a desk in the late 90s including sofdwtare, hardware, maintenance and support was £3000 a desktop per year.

I dont have to want it to destroy windows, Windows is doingt that for itself.

I've been in IT since 1980. On Unix linux macs and PCFS. And real time custom code as well.
Windows isn't dead yet. It just smells that way, and it has no future.
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On 03/08/2015 09:49, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

<snips two pages that don't answer the question>
Yes, there's a problem in Windows where you can't write to an open executable. You can write to one in Linux. But when do those updates start being executed?
I'm one of the 2^-n people who do need to know. I'm wondering if you do.
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On 31/07/2015 13:39, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

A reboot isn't needed every time.
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Yeah, download XP. I've got two laptops on Windows 8 to sort out. 31 viruses, 63 PUPS and 49% fragmentation so far. Ccleaner freed up 2,361MB of space and 496 registry errors. I'm not going after the duplicates. Somebody has stolen the "Start" button and I've struggled to even find the defrag prog. Defraggler said "One day" to defrag. The Windows one will be faster, then I can go back to Defraggler do the job properly. Basically I can't find fuck all and W8 is a lump of shit.

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