[OT] iPhone or Android...

Not really:

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install Skype and you can even make calls with it.

It all looks back to front to me. Seems from reviews that it is possible, though.

it's wafer thin and

Yep, they're pretty good. GPS and a decent camera and I'd get one.

Rob

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Rob
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Buttons? It should have a handle to wind.

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Mark

You know there has to be bloatware somewhere when you can ren on a mobile phone, apps, better than you could on a DEC minicomputer....of the 1990s

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The Natural Philosopher

Well, classic UNIX was even earlier - I started using it in mid-1975! And VMS was around the same time...originally.

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Bob Eager

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>>> install Skype and you can even make calls with it.

Compare hardware spec and cost of the iPod Touch against T-mobiles Vivacity. The former is expensive for a toy entertainment device. The latter _is_ a toy (ignore the phone bit) and for me does Android toy things extremely well (well, except for the camera).

I was about to upgrade my first Generation iPod Touch...

However, if it were iOS vs Android for a working phone, i'd do iOS.

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Adrian C

How does that differ from the all you can eat data + an android handset for £16 pm (not £30 sim only) that they are advertising in my local three store?

I don't like the iPhone, it has a poor battery and its not changeable. It is a no no for many that actually want to use the data facilities. Of course if you just want a fashion item to just make calls its OK. You need to carry external battery packs if you want to use an iPhone much and that is inconvenient.

I have a galaxy s2 and its a better phone hardware wise and the software is just as good. You can fit bigger batteries or just change them. It will be even better when the Android 4 software is released for it. BTW the screen is better than the iPhone too.

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dennis
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To wind the wire up when he gets closer to home?

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dennis

If it's not in the "One" range, it supposedly cannot tether - which is 70% of the device's job for me.

I have not bothered looking to see if hacking the phone will get round this, just going on the blurb at face value.

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Tim Watts

My O2 s2 "doesn't" tether either, other than by usb, blue tooth, or wifi that is.

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dennis

Tim Watts wrote: [snip]

The SIM only offering from Three that allows tethering and 1GB per month is £15. I haven't managed to get close to that in any month and I now use the phone for all of my mobile computing comms. When at home it uses wifi so you use non of the data plan.

Electing for that deal will save you £360 over the life of the contract and you can stop the contract with no penalty and one month's notice.

The three network connection has been good for me, O2 was terrible -not enough base stations for 3G, Vodafone was relatively poor - no signal at home or work. Just never, ever call 3 support because it is dire.

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Steve Firth

It was pretty clear what he said, it's also pretty clear that you assume that he meant something he didn't say.

If a keyboard is important then it's possible to use one with an iPhone. If someone insists then it can be attached to the phone where it slide out or fold out depending on model. It will also act as an external battery for the phone.

I would imagine that if anyone were *seriously* considering the iPhone they would have looked at the feature. TBH I think such things are an abomination for iPhone or android since keyboard phones are always bricks.

It's clear to me that John was just indulging in the ever-popular sport of apple-bashing and if he has to warp the facts to fit the theory, what the heck? Quite who soapy people find it necessary to declare that they have bought a phone and it's not apple I don't know. The only other appliance I see this zeal expressed for is the sodding Dyson cleaner.

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Steve Firth

Cheers for that - I'll search out for it on their website...

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Tim Watts

Care to give a pointer to this? Most 3 contracts exclude tethering. You need a five pound per month addon to get it. The one-plan is different. It does allow tethering but is twenty-five pounds a month.

Other than that I agree with Steve. 3 data is good. Customer service abysmal.

Andrew

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Andrew May

Hmm - looks like this one might be a goer:

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300 - 1 month All-you-can-eat data. - £15

Looks possible. I use sod all minutes, nearly no texts and VOIP for most calls. But I do use over 1GB/month. Not clear about the tethering though - they said in the shop only the "One" plan permits it. Although, unless thye have a way to lock Andriod down, I'm not sure how they can stop it - like a Jailbroken iPhone could tether on a non tether plan...

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Tim Watts

Utter cobblers. I charged my phone on the drive to work this morning. Since then I have used to read my mail, book a couple of hotel stays, take around 20 phone calls and browse Usenet and create posts such as this one. The display now reads 81% battery life remaining. On the absolute worst days when I spend a lot of my time mailing, reviewing PDFs and reading books the phone will reach 20%!charge remaining around midnight when the phone can be docked until morning. Using abroad when it gets less use because if roaming charges I get three days life from the battery.

It's not as good as my old Nokia but it is on a par with other smartphones.

Bullshit. It has an inferior display and despite the supposedly faster processor the Galaxy is slow and laggy in use.

It's bug ridden malware.

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Steve Firth

Looks very interesting...

What's unlocking like - is it a ring Orange or use a dodgey stall affair these days (spot who never unlocks mobiles!)?

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Tim Watts

For the avoidance of doubt, I wanted a phone with a built in keyboard, not an add on.

I think you have a persecution complex. I think the iPhones are nice devices and I actually quite like them. There was a time there was nothing out there to compare with them. I don't however like some of apple's policies which puts me off a bit (although that is not in itself a show stopper as demonstrated by my use of microsoft kit).

My selection criteria were a physically small smart phone, reasonable camera, decent music player, the ability to insert SD cards or some form of external storage, the ability to use it as a mass storage device. Proper keyboard, touch screen. I also fancied being able to develop for it. I wanted it SIM free and not tied to any network. A number of those seemed to preclude the iPhone, and they are not even particularly attractive price wise.

Tim asked which people preferred and why. I highlighted I had used both, what I chose, and why.

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John Rumm

Indeed...

I expect your usage pattern is very different to mine, since I am a fairly light user, I receive more calls than I make, and don't need to spend significant time using the phone for data. So the occasional bit of web access, email etc is enough. Much of the time I am in wifi range anyway.

IIRC I paid just under £200 for the phone (SE xperia mini pro), and have no ongoing contract. The SIM deal I went with (Ikea family mobile) would be pricey for significant data use - however it very cost effective for my particular pattern. I have my phone SWMBOs and daughters on the same account, can manage everything from their web portal, and don't expect to pay more than a tenner every couple of months for the lot of them!

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John Rumm

So your own use backs up what I said then! You really must learn to lie better.

Funny how it looks better then.

As is iPhone stuff.

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dennis

Most of the network operators will unlock for a fee - once the handset is out of contract. Also some handsets are easy to unlock with freely available software.

Cost me £15 to extract my previous SE W595 from virgin's clutches. After that I reflashed it with the generic firmware to debrand it.

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John Rumm

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