OT: How come no one has mentioned...

My argument hasn't changed. If you think it has it is your understanding that has changed.

See.. I said you would classify it as something else just so you could ignore the too fast part of it as you like to do with car accidents.

I see, "I have to drive more slowly so I will find another law to break" sounds like a really good argument.

Because drivers started to ignore speed limits and drive too fast!

By whom? I know of nobody that says instead of police except from the anti brigade.

Well you could try pointing out the weakness if that's what you think, so far you haven't.

amongst many things.

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dennis
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Do you really not understand that if some idiot is driving too close to you that you *should* slow down? If you continue in the knowledge that its dangerous it is down to you if anything happens. Next time you want to claim for a whiplash injury don't forget to say " well he was too close to me for 4 miles but I did nothing when the dog ran out in front of me and I had to brake and he hit me", I am sure it will get you more compensation.

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dennis

You mean too fast to stop so he hit you. Excess speed even if you claim otherwise. Who knows you may have been driving too fast if you managed to get into a situation where you had to take drastic action rather than just slowing down by 1 mph to let the car in. I can't comment without seeing what happened so I won't.

They cost cash. If you have a serious problem you can search around for funding to buy a camera. It won't stop the kids speeding in stolen cars though, so if this is the problem more expensive passive measures are more likely to work but they do annoy others. If you know the kids you can accidently break their legs.

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dennis

I think I'd classify that as a camera having the effect of increasing injuries.

(Bypassing the issue that breaking someone's legs is probably regarded as a more serious offcence than driving at 75 in a 70 zone.)

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Rod

Not to the likes of Dennis. Rules must be observed for their own sake and anyone breaking them eliminated.

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Dave Plowman (News)

Rules are not a problem, I bend them when needed. Laws are a different matter. Try it and see.

The trouble with bending rules is that you get idiots that think the rule is there for a reason and that they can therefore break it. What the idiot doesn't understand is that the rule is there for something he doesn't know about. Hence you get idiots saying its OK to break speed limits when its safe even though the speed limit is there for reasons other than safety. Then they complain that they are being victimised when they are caught. There are an amazing number of such idiots about who know why every rule is in place and hence why *they* can break it.

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dennis

Or, as sounds more likely, the driver following was not paying attention, was watching the road he was joining, and did not account for the possibility that the person in front might need to slow or stop. Result; they drove into the back of them without even making an attempt to stop.

So, regardless of the speed were going they would have still hit them even if they were perfectly capable of stopping. Yes you count this as excess speed?

Gosh that's a first.

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John Rumm

In an extreme situation - perhaps.

Sounds ok on paper, but not practical in most real life cases of course, and equally likely to be counter productive. You slow, they drive closer still. Stopping time remains constantly too short. Now they are pissed off and driving dangerously. They overtake, and someone else sets up camp.

If you find this happens to you often, its probably because you are driving too slowly.

(As a policy it also ignores the reality that the chances are you can't make a realistic assessment for many vehicles following you, and you can't necessarily see what is happening one vehicle further back. Even when a vehicle appears to be leaving adequate distance, you have no way of knowing how alert the driver is).

No, we never have vehicles behind us as we drive far too fast.

Apparently.

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John Rumm

LOL!

I doubt there is a person in the country who manages to get through a whole day without breaking at least one law.

I probably just broke one there by duplicating copyright text without permission of the author...

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John Rumm

Is that after breaking some legs?

Does 'breaking legs' come under a rule or law?

Care to try that one again?

'Rules' have a habit of changing. When last did you read the HC?

True. The 70mph speed limit was brought in as a fuel saving measure when traffic conditions and cars were very different to now. And after a few horrendous accidents in fog where 10mph would have been more appropriate.

Pray tell, Dennis, which rules you don't abide by?

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Dave Plowman (News)

Indeed. Trucks often do it if you're travelling below their allowed maximum. If you don't feel capable of driving at the speed limit on motorways don't use them.

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Dave Plowman (News)

I was in first gear for Chist's sake

Her insurance has just paid out, now insurance companies know that a rear end shunt is the fault of the following driver in this instance. If I had braked hard from a fast speed for no apparent reason, the following driver might just be able to put a case together against me.

Dave

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Dave

Is there a real difference between a conventional behaviour which comes to be expected of all and a rule? I see little. I therefore nominate one broken 'rule' to be the failure to post in the forms expected by most pther posters here.

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Rod

I bet you didn't.

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dennis

IIRC it was originally brought in after someone did a ton down the M1 in a 'Ee type.

The fuel thing is from the 70s crisis - let's see...

"1974: New speed limit to curb fuel use British drivers must adhere to reduced speed limits from midnight tonight as the government tries to save fuel.

"Speed limits on motorways will remain 70mph (112kph), but on dual carriageways they will become 60mph (96kph), and on all other roads

50mph (80kph).

"Motorists could previously drive up to a limit of 70mph."

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Andy

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Andy Champ

WAsn't it when a small performance motor manufacturer based near the M1 was found to be using the M1 as a (speed) test track for new motors capable of more than double that.

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<me9

What you need explanation? OK the idiots think there is a reason.. this means they think they know the reason so they can break it. Pretty simple really.

This means there is a different reason that the idiots don't know about just in case you had more difficulty. ;-)

The RTAs are better, try them. While you are at it try some of the advanced driving books. Remember you get more from practical training.

Why does it matter? Its you that hasn't got anything sensible to say about speed cameras.

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dennis

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Yes they did.

Dual carriageways are now 70 MPH maximum and other unrestricted roads are now 60 MPH maximum.

Dave

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Dave

So? Even my car does more than 30 mph in first BTW.

No they couldn't, you have to be able to stop if the driver in front does. There is no requirement for there to be a good reason to stop. I would stop if my specs fell off somehow, there would be nothing on the road to make me stop but it would still happen so if you were behind you had better be able to stop without any warning. That's another mistake the idiot speeders frequently make.. "I can drive faster because I can see when the car in front of the one in front is stopping". Watching the traffic might allow you to drive more smoothly but it doesn't make it safe to get closer.

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dennis

Looking back at this, WTFDYM

I was just setting off over a give way line and got no more that half of my car over it when a driver to my right, on the road I was trying to join, without using an indicator to tell me that he was changing lanes from the right hand one to the left hand lane, prevented me from moving forwards. Remember, if he had hit me, it would have been my fault. But hit a stationary car and the blame goes to the one who was moving. Wife was involved in one of those, the other driver had to pay out.

At all times you must drive in a manner that enables you to stop in normal conditions. If you come round a blind bend and run into a car that has stopped, you are responsible.

I thought that was what I said and contested what you had said about driving fast with a tailgate behind you.

Please make your mind up.

Yes there is.

Deer, or horse, or cow jumps in the road, I could think of alsorts that you could not consider. They all move quite quick and have come into my view quite often, though the road I use is quite likely to have that happen. I plan for it, but to plan for that to happen on either a dual carriage way, or motorway is something else. Look at the side of these roads and you will see all sorts of animal fences. Some of the fences you will not have noticed It happens and cars get damaged. Herds of cows, horses have got onto these roads and have been shown on TV.

They will also make quite a lot of damage to your car. The road in question is adequately fenced on both side, but vandalism and agile animals put them in your path. I once had 3 dear jump over the fence into the road. I had to brake, before they jumped over the fence at the other side. I was close enough to hear their hooves clattering on the road.

You drive with specs that can fall off?

Can you re English that please

Dave

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Dave

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