I can't comment on your offered scenario and so can't comment on an outcome, other than it would have to be decided at the time and on the facts available.
Ok? Then so be it?
'Begged, would we have to beg?
Like I said, how can anyone answer that atm.
If they did then the remain side would be wrong to do so. It's not for them to persuade anyone to do anything because we are all already doing it.
If you are going down a motorway, the *decision* is 'do I turn off here', because 'no consideration at all' means you carry on as you were.
I have never suggested I could or would try.
And if there isn't a sufficient justification to leave (or stay) knowing what we *know* (as in the here and now, not just guess about) and take on an unknown that wasn't fully explained and justified, then so be it.
Are you saying that with a 50:50 choice you would be happy to actually vote for one or the other without knowing the reason why you did?
Sounds very much like a gambler tossing a coin to me?
because the decision was taken away from them by the referendum
The electorate, via their elected MPs should get a
If individual MPs were going to vote the way their electorate felt I might agree with you. But they won't, they will vote the way that they have been personally lobbied by their friends in big business
No. Democracy does not stop after a referendum. Democracy must continue all the time. People get to vote regularly for their MPs and this isn't different.
Indeed, they do often vote as they're told, but that's another issue.
I'm just rather interested how you can leave a free trade area with no need for border controls between member countries and then not increase border controls to prevent smuggling, etc? But then Brexiteers are rather well known for not having a clue about the ramifications of leaving the EU.
Was the referendum specific about any future relationship with the EU after leaving? I don't remember being given a vote on any of that.
We were told that after leaving the EU, we'd be able to keep all the good bits like free trade etc without being in the EU. As that would be in the EU's interest.
Yes, and some are much better between the ears too.
No. Most would do the same work even if that didn?t affect the pay, particularly with the most useful skills. Only a fool would choose to do the worst work like getting rid of fatbergs in the sewers if they are good at designing useful stuff like most engineering or are skilled house builders or would be skilled surgeons or physicians or teachers.
You can certainly make a case that jobs that require years of training should pay more once you are qualified to get people to put the effort into doing that training, but even that is a rather dubious proposition with say medicine where the job is very rewarding and the state pays for the education like Eire does.
No reason why paying them more keeps them functional either.
That is just as bogus. Certainly the cops and judges need to be paid adequately so they don?t need to accept bribes to be able to afford decent housing and a decent lifestyle, but that isnt a real problem in the modern first world.
I don?t believe that they were for that reason. And they certainly don?t need to be paid millions when they are bank CEOs either.
Highly paid people have more to lose
But society decided long ago that the last thing we need is the stinking rich like Trump or Murdoch.
And in an ideal world should take
Separate matter to whether they should be paid a lot more.
You can in fact show that capitalism breeds much more corruption.
Greedy people instead of becoming
That last is never the case with socialism in modern first world countries like Britain. You're again confusing socialism and communism.
Norway has much more socialism than say Britain, but the only privilege is not inside the Party and in fact the main socialist party isnt even the government at the moment.
Not anymore in the modern first world. Not one is even self replacing now if you take out immigration.
Plenty like Adam still do even if you don?t anymore.
wont stop the
Islam wont ever impose that on the first world.
He has never suggested anything like that. The closest he has got to that is to stupidly suggest that everyone who works should be paid enough to be able to afford a decent house in London if they work there.
Even the worst like Dave don?t advocate that we all live the same way world wide.
All modern societies are a mix of socialism and capitalism with some like Norway choose to have the state do their oil and gas and power generation and others like Britain choose to have the state do less, but still do much of the most important infrastructure like roads and other important stuff like most of the schools, universities and medicine.
No, I;m saying customs barriers are not a problem on supply chains. Exports are another matter as France will normally refuse to import anything. so expect a big drop in Dover traffic and more Felixstowe and Southampton traffic.
So you *are* saying then that they are transparent, or as transparent as they are when there is 'no (or a free movement of goods type) customs'?
This illogic seems to abound from the Brexiteers. I'm not sure if it's because they really believe what they say (and without a grain of supportive evidence), are in denial of (even the) the 'potential' issues or are simply (/ knowingly) lying?
The point / *fact* is, any additional red tape applied between two bodies *will* (and does) make things slower and more unpredictable.
I think many are expecting that anyway mate, less traffic (commercial and domestic) traffic, longer queues.
there IS more paperwork to be done before the lorries leave the depot, which we all accept adds a small extra cost onto the shipping company.
but once that documentation is done, the delay at the port is generally no more than now,
except for the one in a thousand risk that you might get hauled out for a spot check
but that latter occurrence is a possibility anyway, as the usual reason for a spot check is to check for drugs/illegal immigrants, so it's not like that risk has increased from zero.
the illogical position is the one taken by Remoaners who claim that every truck will have to be opened so that customs can check every package for compliance with SM rules
just like every container that arrives from HK at Southampton is currently opened so that every package is checked for compliance with SM rules
Oh wait a minute, no-one opens any containers at Southampton, so that can't be right, can it?
but it doesn't stop them claiming it is what will happen at Dover!
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