OT: Honda and the EU

If you have a passport from a EU country you will not have an automatic right to enter the UK if ,say, your sole intention is to work in the UK.

The EU cannot dictate that the UK has to ban imports or impose anti-dumping tariffs just because it is EU policy to do so.

What makes you think that Nige has any influence with the way that many people voted? I do not assume that all those voted to remain were swayed by all the s**te spouted by the politicians on the remain side of the argument.

All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others. George Orwell

Pot, kettle, black.

Many of us know precisely the consequence of leaving the EU, you seem to be in denial that one is higher wages, and cheaper housing.

Do you work? Are you hoping your house won't devalue too much?

According to need rather than evenly, I think.

Wasn't that a reference to totalitarian Spain?

no. Reference to the Soviet Union

Well he is correct in my case. 'sharing the pot evenly' is just another stupid idea that sounds morally defensible but simply does not work in practice.

Society and civilization is built on the principle of hierarchy.

Some people work harder, have specialized skills, and need paying more to attract them in the first place and keep them functional in the second.

As well as corruption-free.

Bank managers used to be paid a lot simply to make it less worthwhile to help themselves and their chums. Highly paid people have more to lose and have a bigger stake in society. And in an ideal world should take more responsibility for it.

Socialism breeds corruption. Greedy people instead of becoming entrepreneurs and doing a bit of good become part of the political system because the only privilege is inside the Party.

Socialism is based on magic money tree thinking: that the world is full of wealth and capitalists somehow steal it. In reality the world is not, there is not enough to go round and as soon as there is, people breed until there isn't.

And even ramming LBGT and feminism down peoples throats to the point where every single act of heterosexual sex becomes politicised to the extent that no one does it any more except with robots, wont stop the march of e.g. Islam which asserts that rape is fine as 'women enjoy it like normal sex once the willie goes in'.

So there is an impasse. Dave's rose tinted spectacles of an egalitarian world where everybody thinks the same, lives the same, gets paid the same irrespective of whether they are a brain surgeon or a bog cleaner, would soon fall off if they had to accept that if everyone lived at the average standard of living of the whole world, civilisation would end in tin shacks, charcoal braziers and no electricity and not much food for everyone.

Communism and socialism is really little more than an appeal to atavistic tribal instincts of the hunter gatherers that were replaced

And puttng something in the pot in the first place and making the pot itself, is capitalism.

Then they will be subject to import tariffs and controls, the very reasons they built their factories in the UK in the first place.

The tariffs could be applied by the importing countries.

because the control that we require is of people, not goods

tim

we are never going to be given that option because "status quo" could never be a valid choice on the ballot

as soon as we crawl back to the EU and ask "I want some more EU s*it, please sir", they will say "only if you agree to this change in your membership, and this one, oh and this one as well"

tim

you don't need to know anything about running a particular business to know that them complaining that changes in legislation will be impossible for them to adjust to, are overstating their case in order to win concession from HMG

It happens every time that there is a proposed change, and every time they manage

tim

apparently these are zero

I understand fully than you very much

tim

only if WE impose them

tim

Under WTO rules that would be circa 15%.

WTO defines the maximum we can charge

we are (everybody is) free to impose a lower tariff on a specific class of goods if they so wish

One of the obvious areas for doing this is "components". It encourages manufactures to set up factories in your jurisdiction rather than just import completed items

AIUI the external EU tariff for components is set at zero for precisely that reason.

tim

Ah. So the whole EU thing is purely about immigration?

What happens if they tighten them?

Wrong. It's about democracy. Why should parliament not get a proper say in the matter? The electorate, via their elected MPs should get a choice.

No. We haven't left yet. We could stay in with the rules as they are.

The Brexiters put forward this argument. The remain campaign did not since we were/are a member of the EU.

The Brexit crystal ball isn't working.