OT: from Twitter today

[Dave Plowman (News]

Except when he was a Liberal? ;-)

[Dave Plowman (News]

Is your answer to everything simply to run away if things don't go as you want?

[nightjar]

:-)

That was well before 1946 and even when he was in the Liberal Party, a lot of his views were distinctly right wing.

[Tim Streater]

What d'ye expect from someone who fought at the Battle of Omdurman?

[The Natural Philosopher]

The liberal party has changed its stance a lot more than Churchill ever did.

[jeikppkywk]

No running away involved when leaving what isnt working.

Worked fine for Czechoslovakia and Malaysia when Singapore left. And when the USA chose to leave the British Empire. And when Eire kicked you poms out of their country.

[michael adams]

The Irish Free State just about managed to kick the "poms" out of 3/4 of "their" country*. Hence the present "little local difficulty" regarding all this backstop business.

Or didn't you realise what that was all about ?

michael adams

*At the time they also had to accept Dominion Status recognising the Ultimate Sovereignty of the British Crown. A yoke they were eventually able to shed unlike some places.

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[nightjar]

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We had a lot to do with shaping the EU into what it is today and we can leave that at any time we want to. The difficult bit is doing it without causing serious damage to our own economy.

[Tim Streater]

Ah, you mean we may invoke our treaty rights with the expectation that our exit would not be hindered for spurious reasons and that there would be genuine good will and cooperation from the rEU to make this happen?

Feel free to wake me up when there is some prospect of this happening. Or are you perhaps smoking something strange.

[Steve Walker]

Not exactly kick - it was already in progress, by agreement, prior to the 1916 uprising and was only delayed by WW1. Even now, from when the free-state was formed, we still have the Common Travel Area.

The only reason that NI remained British, was that the majority of the population there wanted that.

SteveW

[nightjar]

It is hardly unusual for a political party to change direction when it gets a new leader. David Cameron wanted to keep the country in the EU. Theresa May tried to take it out with minimum damage. Boris wants to take it out without a deal (despite pretending he is trying for one). Tony Blair modernised the Labour Party. Jeremy Corbyn is trying to drag it back into the dark ages. Jo Swinson wants the LibDems to win the next election.

While I think she has delusions of grandeur, if anything can get her into No 10, it would be the promise to revoke Article 50.

[nightjar]

It is not the EU that has hampered us leaving. It has been the extreme Brexiteers, who refuse to accept that negotiation means compromises must be made.

[Dave Plowman (News]

Still hanging on to the idea the EU owes us a living?

[Dave Plowman (News]

Nothing at all stopping us leaving with no deal. Or rather, not the EU as Timmy seems to still think. Our parliament (remember the sovereignty that leavers wanted back) has passed a law to make it illegal.

[Tim Streater]

Compromises about what? Leaving the EU necessarily means no SM, no CU, and no ECJ. No dosh and no EU laws follow from that. Anything else means we haven't left. It's really quite simple.

You seem to think that all situations can be resolved by negotiation or compromise. Well, quite a lot can, but not all. If someone knocks on my doos and announces they are here to rob me, I don't compromise willingly with them and agree that they can take the telly but not the stereo instead of both, now do I.

[Dave Plowman (News]

So simple, isn't it...

...to a simple mind.

You ignored being a member of the EU brought us an income well in excess of the costs of membership. If it didn't, we'd never have joined.

[T i m]

And that's the thing, 'a simple binary mind'.

He wants out and that's the end of it. The fact that nearly as many people *specifically* stated they didn't, doesn't seem to even appear on his radar. 50%+1 is perfectly democratic ... even if 'once in a lifetime' and with little in the way of support of it being a good thing for 'most people' (especially the younger members of the population who have no choice in their own futures that has been decided by many who will soon be dead) ... to such simple minds.

The binary thinkers 'ignore' all sort of things that it suits them to, especially if it impacts their personal / selfish crusade.

Cheers, T i m

[whisky-dave]

Your;e the one that says people are left brained or right brained, that sounds pretty binary to me.

that's what democracy states yes.

If you want to change what a democracy is lets say 50%-1 then peole need to know before voting not after.

We were told it wasa once in a lifetime vote, now remmeber the last lifetime in 1975.

The young change everyday it's been happening for 1,000s of years. Of course for the referdum the young had he lowest turnout.

and people that think everyone is diveded into left and right brainers...

[T i m]

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And 'centre brainers' of course, given that it's not binary (not that you, a robot test tube cleaner ... would 'get' that) but a linear / analogue scale.

But hey, every day is a school day for you eh. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

[whisky-dave]

Wow that's only taken a couple of years to understand it's not binary, in the past all yuo;'ve gone on about is left and right brainers.

It's not analogue it;s digital. You can't even get that right.

best yuo go back to school you've forgotten or lost so much.