OT: from Twitter today

1) Verhofstadt comes clean: at the LibDem Conference today he admitted that the EU is building an empire. No surprise there then.

2) Gilets Jaunes protests approach a year of protests. Tear gas and water cannon in action in Nantes (along with beatings of protesters, obvs).

Reply to
Tim Streater
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For certain values of 'empire'. He probably didn't realise the emotive overtones of the word, particularly not as he used India as an example of one of the 'empires' he was describing.

His essential message was that nations and peoples should work together towards a common goal, which is what the EU and its predecessors have always been about.

Reply to
nightjar

Bless!

The complete opposite. The EU started as a communist inspired protection racket for European iron coal and steel industries.

It has ruthelessly *used* the politics of socialism to undermine member states, has corrupted their politician and enslaved theor peoples.

Do you believe in the tooth fairy as well?

Reply to
The Natural Philosopher

If they were going to build an empire they would jump on news outlets and stop anyone reporting bad things, so I think we are a way off that yet. The whole project has in fact become so big its unmanageable, that is the underlying problem. Brian

Reply to
Brian Gaff

I'd suggest you look rather carefully at the US. That bastion against any form of socialism. You'd be dead because you couldn't afford the medical bills.

But at least you'd have died for your principles.

Reply to
Dave Plowman (News

On the contrary, the European Coal and Steel Community was founded despite strong opposition from the Communists.

Winston Churchill called for a United States of Europe in 1946. The ECSC, was proposed by Robert Schuman, a French Christian Democrat, who worked closely with Karl Arnold, a German Christian Democrat. The whole idea of a united Europe has its roots in Conservatism.

Reply to
nightjar

But those that can have allowed US companies to develop and market fantastic bio/medical products that the NHS is 100% reliant upon (but sod the cost, just add it to the national debt for future generations to pay off).

Reply to
Andrew

I have kept Andrew Marrs programs 'The History of Britain' on my Humax PVR, where the Labour government at the time was considering joining the common market, but the chancellor said 'We cannot join, the miners would never allow it'.

Reply to
Andrew

It does show Turnip's crystal ball doesn't work in either direction. ;-)

Reply to
Dave Plowman (News

Bollocks

More bollocks

Reply to
The Natural Philosopher

The common goal being what?

And such working needn't oblige them to be members of an unaccountable oligarchy.

Reply to
Tim Streater

Another good example of TNP's discussion techniques.

If he doesn't see something the way it happened, it's bollox.

But then we know denial of fact is a classic fanatic Brexiteer weakness.

Cheers, T i m

Reply to
T i m

A matter of historical record. The communists were strongly entrenched in the French coal and steel industries, which were less efficient than their German counterparts. They, therefore, opposed the ECSC on the grounds that it would lead to extensive job losses. The Soviet Union also encouraged resistance to it, as they didn't want anything that strengthened the West.

I am sorry that the history is not to your liking. However, denying it won't change the facts.

Reply to
nightjar

Wrong again Rodders, if you knew anything at all about the EU, you would know exactly what the plan was.

AB

Reply to
Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp Esq

That?s a pig ignorant lie with the USPS and the the Army Corps of Engineers alone.

Another pig ignorant lie. Any hospital that gets any federal funding at all, an that?s all of them, have to treat life threatening medical problems even if you can't pay for that treatment.

They also have Medicare for those who use the most medical services.

That?s flagrantly dishonest.

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jeikppkywk

Rubbish

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am sorry that the history is not to your liking. However, denying it won't change the facts.

Reply to
The Natural Philosopher

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'The negotiations led to the Treaty of Paris, signed on 18 April 1951. Opposition arose in all six countries: the communist parties considered that the plan was against the USSR's interests;'

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'The CGT immediately denounced the Schuman Plan employing a Cold War rhetoric: the common market was part of a US plan to rearm Germany and use Ruhr resources to launch a war against the Soviet Union. French communists also claimed that the planned coal and steel community would de-industrialize France and cause the ?deportation? of French workers to the Ruhr, pictured as a kind of industrial Moloch. French industry would have to align salaries with the low wages of West Germany and even then it would probably not be able to compete.'

I didn't say that communists didn't jump on the band wagon, once it got rolling. I said that the idea of a united Europe has its roots in Conservatism. You can't get a lot more Conservative than Winston Churchill:

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Reply to
nightjar

No, it has iuts roots in Spinellits vision, a communist

Who said while it might sort mainland Europe out it was not suitable for the UK.

Reply to
The Natural Philosopher

He brought a different viewpoint to it, but it was Conservatives who started the ball rolling with the ECSC.

We still joined the Council of Europe, which came out of his idea.

Reply to
nightjar

A very different enitity that we founded and can leave whenever we want

Reply to
The Natural Philosopher

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