OT: Batteries - false economy

I'll never buy cheap unheard of brandname batteries again, it's a waste of time and money, i've lost count of the number i've had little use of especially those 18650 types.

Currently unable to use a camera because one of the (non-oem) batteries has puffed up so i don't want to insert it and another won't charge.

Anyway, I can get a Duracell battery for £14.99 which is significantly cheaper than the Nikon, should be OK with Duracell surely?

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shall I not piss all over my original point and get the Nikon one?

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R D S
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I've been recently (last 5-6 years) very  disappointed with bog standard Duracell AAs, poor life, and worse they seem to leak (even within the 'Best Before Date') !

These seem no worse (life wise) don't seem to leak, and are cheaper

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I have no experience of Duracell 'specialist size' batteries though

Reply to
Mark Carver

I think he's talking about rechargeables.

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Bob Eager

Ah yes, those 'Ultrafire' that wasn't a brand name but a product description. And the 999999 'eBay mAh', a new unit unknown to science.

On the basis of minimal evidence, I tend to rate Duracell lithium as better than the Chinesium ones but not as good as OEM. There is some fishiness around licensing that I don't really understand, eg:

"DuracellDirect is operated by the Duracell licensee: PSA Parts Ltd, the leading supplier of Batteries, Power Adapters and Chargers within Europe. With over 15 years expertise supplying power product solutions, PSA Parts Ltd have built strong relationships with battery and accessory manufacturers, including Duracell. We supply Duracell branded products, OEM (Original Equipment Manufacturer) brand name products and high quality replacement products. All of which are guaranteed 100% compatible and come with a manufacturer's warranty. DuracellDirect supplies customers right across Europe including distributors, computer dealers as well as product owners themselves.

Duracell Direct is a trading name of the UK registered company: PSA Parts Ltd. Head office: 2 Prince Georges Road, London, UK, SW19 2PX. UK Company number: 03544196. UK VAT number: GB468891384."

It is notable that none of the phone/camera replacement batteries show up on the duracell.co.uk website.

My reading of that is the batteries are actually sourced by PSA Parts and they're allowed to put the Duracell brand on them - they're not made by Duracell themselves. OTOH being a UK company you have some kind of comeback on PSA if they aren't as described, whereas the 'eBay mAh' is predicated on there being no recourse if it turns out (shockingly) the seller lied.

However, I would be happier buying a Duracell battery than an OEM battery (Apple, Samsung, Canon, etc) from Amazon/eBay/etc, because there's a much higher chance the battery with the OEM's name on the side is fake.

Theo (most recent purchase was a 'RAVPower' battery, which turned out fine. They subsequently got banned from Amazon for manipulating reviews.)

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Theo

Now you mention it I did buy some Duracell AAs fairly recently and was highly disappointed. But I bought them on eBay so assumed they were snide.

Reply to
R D S

 Mine have mostly come from CPC, (aka Farnell) so doubtful they are 'hooky'
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Mark Carver

Haha, I was racking my brain to try and remember as I was posting, I've had some of those and wasn't inspired by the name!

Reply to
R D S

Yeah, i'm over buying 'branded' stuff on ebay.

The battery I need at Wilkinson Cameras is 45 quid though, that's a stretch.

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R D S

I have had Duracell Pro AA cells bought from Farnell leak. Duracell is definitely on my avoid if at all possible list. John

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John Walliker

Possible because a lot of batteries on Ebay/Amazon Market are fakes but the Duracell Industrial or Procell that I've purchased in the past year have been pretty bad compared to those a previously purchased. Short lived and leak like a sieve when flat.

If the advert says genuine Nikon then it's a 99% chance that its nothing of the kind :)

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alan_m

I used to by Maxell alkalines, but you do not seem to see them any more,I'd swear they lasted longer than the Duracells did. I wonder if everyone isjustbrand engineering now. Brian

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Brian Gaff

You could view it as a gamble that if the Duracell gets more than 1/3 the life of the OEM battery you're quids in. I'd be happy to take that bet.

I think in these kinds of small batteries there isn't really a massive difference between the OEM and the aftermarket ones, once you've filtered out the fakes and the ones that are smaller capacity than they claim to be because they filled the rest with sand.

It is possible they're only good for 300 rather than 1000 cycles, but that probably matters less for an occasional use camera than a phone which you charge every day. These are also fairly low drain applications, so if they cheaped out on the amount of copper in the electrodes it doesn't matter so much compared to power tool batteries (where you'd see the power sag under load).

Theo

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Theo

Isn't the Duracell name appended to budget batteries in some countries?

Bill

Reply to
williamwright

I'm fairly careful about Lion types. The chemistry can run away.

I wouldn't touch Duracell with a barge pole. They have been trading on their once good name for far too long. I have seen too much kit damaged by their batteries leaking inside equipment. These days I invariably go for Eveready or Panasonic for things that matter. Never had one leak.

Certain rechargeables from Aldi and Lidl have proved surprisingly good.

Conversely for cheap and nasty Kodak from Pound shop are hard to beat.

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Martin Brown

You need to be careful to maintain some charge on infrequently used batteries, because if left uncharged they will deteriorate and if there's an embedded BMS it may disconnect to prevent further discharge. If you can get around the BMS by charging the cells directly and bring the voltage back to a level the BMS is happy with, using a variable bench supply or dumb charger, you may find it revives and still has useful capacity.

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Rob Morley

No, the Panasonic 18650s really are much better than the no brand shit.

Reply to
Rod Speed

My recently eBay'd Nikon D810 uses EN-EL15 batteries. The Nikon one supplied with the camera had 1900mAh capacity. The Duracell equivalent I got as a spare was only 1400mAh. My new Nikon Z6II is supplied with a EN-EL15c battery, 2280mAh, a variety that, last week, was out of stock everywhere, there appears to be a shipment due anytime, so I took a chance on

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from Amazon, which is claimed to be 2200mAh. Too soon to say if they are any good. The EN-EL15 and EN-EL15c batteries are interchangeable but the Z6II knew the Duracell wasn't kosher and refused to work with it. So I'd say, check the indicated capacity of any unknown-brand, or Duracell, and see how it compares with the OEM version. Never had any issues with Duracell AA or AAAs.

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Peter Johnson

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