OT: Apple Mac computers

[whisky-dave]

well he 'must' have word because his work place uses it. But in reality he needs little more than a text editor that comes standard.

he didn;t want vista on hearing of all teh prblems it's been having.

Thta's another problem isn';t it, as the number of tracks depends on lots of things and I wouldn;t advise a laptop anyway due to the relativily low speed disks of 44-5400 RPM. Then there's ther memoey overhead when using filters and plugins.

Well the Mac has all that and is fast enough to handle it.

Buy a new Mac and time machine comes free. Upgrade the OS and you get TM free. Why should you need to buy a product just to back up what you own ?

I've never actually met one of those 'people' Of coursde I work in a university of about 10k students.

Well I've not come across one in the last 5 years, I have a virus on my PC last week, it was detected & removed by macfee so it wasn't a problem. I've used Macs since about 1986, I never lost anything due to a virus. I don;t run any anti-virus stuff now, haven't done since OS X.

Sounds pretty complete to me. A program that can backup everything, restore single items or do an entire restore.

Well I'd use my iDisk/mobile me, I think it's unlikely that a terrorist/freedomj figher would bring that down, they could steal any physical disc from me or 'blow it up'

It doesn't but if he doesn;t he'll forget, it's happened before. As I say I work with students who leave their backup drives in a lab.

He also leaves his back door open when he goes out to indicate that someones in. He's never been burgled but the house next to him has despite them locking all the doors. Not that I would do that.

He hasn't got a network drive, and his net was a free dialup service he has an 80MB external USB. And he's a technofobe, the last 'serious' problem he had was that he couldn't open PDF files ! I found out that he no longer had acrobat reader installed even though I had installed it. He deleted it to speed his computer up as he only uses word and the internet ????? A nut loose on the keyboard always gives the 10idt error Mac or PC.

[Man at B&Q]

Did I say I had written one?

Yes.

Yes.

Yes.

You might fall down like the walls of Jericho.

You don't have a monoploy on knowledge of computers.

MBQ

[dennis]

I don't go around telling others I know more than them like you do.

I don't even claim TMW knows less, just that he's stupid.

[Man at B&Q]

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Where did I say that? I think you have a serious comprehension issue.

MBQ

[dennis]

Well he may be entitled to the home use program like I am. It includes the NHS for instance.

I hear about these problems too, I just can't see why.

Makes no difference at all, I can do 16 channels, 24 bits if I need too. Disks are easily fast enough these days and they don't stop to do thermal recalibrations like they used to. That was a real killer once.

RAM is about £14 per Gig.

So are £300 PCs. In fact I used to do DVI capture and editing on a 600MHz Celeron Vaio and never dropped a frame. It wasn't quick at creating MPEG2 video but it worked fine. That was > three years ago so I would hope a Mac could handle it.

Does the unlimited online, off site storage come free too?

Does a Mac come with unlimited offsite online storage?

So you didn't have a virus, someone tried to give you one. I can send you some Mac viruses so you can claim to have had Mac viruses if you want.

That's a bit dangerous considering how many security windows have had to be closed in OSX since it was released. How do you know you haven't been rooted if you don't run anything to check BTW?

But not reliably and doesn't manage multiple volumes very well either. Does it prompt the user to move his backup to a safe place when it should for instance?

They could just steal your Mac, I doubt if they would have any trouble getting at your data.

Well they did say exams were getting easier, almost anyone can be a student these days so you will just have to develop strategies to cope.

Is this a C&P for the wrong post?

I did that yesterday, clicked a link and no acrobat.. then I remembered I put a new disk in last week and hadn't restored the partition with acrobat on. That's another thing why do people think that putting a new disk in a machine causes activation problems when it doesn't?

That has always been the case, that is why windows has problems, all the newbies go to PCworld and buy a PC without having a clue what they are doing. If they did the same with Mac or linux they would have the same problems.

Anyway why are you arguing about Macs? This is about Andy's claims not real Macs.

[John Rumm]

Tiz why I qualified it with "most" - you aint most you aint!

[dennis]

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I think you have more problems than that after reading that reply.

[whisky-dave]

But NOT for the Mac, there's no specialised product or service M$ created so that you can run W98, onwards AFAIK. Although I havevinstalled them via emulators, I even had BBC basic running on my Mac as an emulator but acron never wrote Beeb basic for the Mac.

And on PPC via an emulator.

yes I think we should set up a special instition for them and throw away the key ;-)

But niether were wrotten by M$ to be able to be put on a Mac that is the point. Others have written the software to enable that to happen. In fact I have a friend that has a cracked version of OS X to run on his PC.

yes a friend has done that we is rather starange considring he couldn't have done that on a PC in a few miniutes last time it took hours to get his PC up and running again.

[Huge]

Oo. Dats troo.

[whisky-dave]

yep something that actually works unlike a lot of home user PC backup systems I've seen.

I think the studetns are far more flawed than the USB sticks they use.

No Idea, that's their problem, same as having clean underwear.

Well I've had a few come to me asking if anyone has handed in a USB stick in the last few days if that's what you mean. I usually (on finding them) lok for any user ID, and I copy everythig over to my PC. Then I search through any files that I think might contain such an ID.

Now there's an idea. :)

You did, same as teh order I type this line starting with a Y.

but I bet even less had any such data to loose.

I've never looked in to how insurance companies put a £ value on such data.

Northern rock perhaps ;-)

How many people,have a spare car incase the one that have catches fire or gets stolen.

Google doesn't. various newsservers have that all Google can do is link to it, if it can find it.

Why should they, once you've brought the product it's yours flush it down the toilet if you wish.

Apple brought out there Time Capsule which is really designed for wireless backup so a user doesn't trip over wires and.or doesn't need to have the backup drive next to their computer. Has M$ ever done anything liek this, I don;t even know the name of any backup product where they do both the hardware and software.

On a PC especially.

Like their life rather, than their software. I've heard even viginity can be regained ;-0

Only a few files I consider need encrypting. I don;t think my 21GB of podcasts I've downloaded need encrypting, or even my photos. Although perhaps the indecent pictures of unicorns might need protecting ;-). I don;t think my cat collection needs protection either. Nor my star trek, southpark, battlestar G, Dr. Who listings of where the episodes are and on which CD/DVD case they are in need encrypting, or my letters of complaint to the refuge collection service. I have a few files encrypted, I could put them on a floppy if I had one.

What sort of things do you keep on your PC that need to to be encrypted. That'sif you don't mind saying that is ;-) Wouldn't; want to embarrass you

[dennis]

It doesn't matter though, you don't need that much processing power or RAM to do audio and music.

You don't need that much power if you are using a proper video camera like

>> I used to do 1/4 frame capture on my 300MHz G3 and that was nearly 10 >>> years ago.

Correct, so why put up with some half assed timemachine and pretend its a proper backup solution?

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There is bound to be someone that will bundle it if there is a market.

Which proper backup program comes free with the OS, tar?

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Just indicates that if someone does write a damaging virus Mac users aren't as safe as they assume. Maybe someone already has written a virus that drops malware on Macs and you haven't found it yet? You say you don't run anything to find malware so it would be hard for you to know.

The difference between a virus and a trojan is academic to 99.9% of users.

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Well does it?

Can I have say four identical usb drives and create a backup on each one and just put them in and it will sort them out? How about it saying its time to use disk e from the set?

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Look at your safe and tell me it isn't a safe within a safe. They nearly all are.

Do you want it?

Why bring it up when it doesn't matter, what was your point?

[whisky-dave]

You don;t have much experience in such things do you ?

a low end computer, and they do mention final cut pro 6 which rewuires a minium of 1GB of ram, 2 GB recommended.

Because ther isn;t anyhting better for the home user. Or perhaps you know of a better backup procedure with this unlimted off site storage. Can you name such a product . Coupled with that the time it's take to upload or download a few 100GB of stuff isn;t practical for most people.

Well when there's a market purhaps they'll suplpy iy. But I doubt anyone will offer unlimted storage either on-line or off-line. And what of the cost ?

Well you name a proper backup program, lets see just how much you know.

Maybe they have but what makes you think any current anti-virus program will stop it. ?

I haven't but I think someone would have if it exists. If no ones found one yet it doesn;t realyl matter. I'm more worried about falling in to a black hole than being swollowed by a T. Rex. Why. because black holes exist. T. Rexs used to but died out.

How do PC users know whether they have malware ?

Perhaps you should look at the stats for infected machines.

999.9% of Mac users haven't seen a virus on their system. I think almost everyone on a PC has.

Well I ahven't heard anything to say you can't use it for multiple volumes.

Do you mean a raid setup ? which type of RAID ?

Why would it need to say anyhting, it'd probably just do it. Why would I want to store a backup on to 4 seperate USB drives, I'd use firewire for speed and use 'cloner' software which is free or shareware to do that.

No they aren't. we've had them here, we had a special fireproof safe The size of a 2-3 draw filing cabinet but the inside was about 1ft ^3. We used to keep about 4 reels of magnetic tape in it and that's about all that's fit in.

No not really.

That you can ignore or the little extra files that are created, because you don;t normally need them to run the app. When launched the app will generally create what it needs.

[dennis]

Enough to know I can handle 12 channels 96khz 24 bit on my laptop and have loads of resources left over.

What do you think uses all the RAM?

Which is well within the 3GB my laptop has.

How many more?

Probably about $49.95.

How about titan backup, its free on the computer mags this month.

Someone has to be the first.

Perhaps you should look at the stats for PCs with protection vs. Macs without?

Would you like to provide the source for those comments?

No.

Because you want to run a proper backup scheme using cheap USB disks rather than a tape.

How is that different to a PC or linux?

[whisky-dave]

But that's not on the actual labtop is it, yuo're using an external piece of hardware to do the processing

when adding tracks peolpe tend to use a lot of filters and effects and in real time this needs RAM and processing power, unless you're using 'real instruments' of course. Why would logic pro need a minium of 1GB of RAM ?

Which one is that ?

Does you're laptop have a 7200 RPM drive ? And even in the workflow details they advise you to use the reference movie (i.e. not the full quality version) "On a MacBook Pro laptop, we recommend the use of 1K size movies"

Do you have any idea of the data rate that camera can output ?

Just one complete backup system would do.

If you have unlimited storage on-line then why would anyone bother buying a hard disk, even internal ones would become obsolete. All you'd really need is a system run of HD but probably not even that as a system could be run on-line.

Didn;t say anything about unlimted on-line storage. lokoed as though you had to purchase that separately

Yep, and I doubt it'll be me any more than me being the first to die from an alien invasion or a rogue asteroid.

When virus started coming out for the Mac I'll start taking precautions but as with condoms I tend not to wear them 24/7 although you never know just when you're luck will be 'in' or 'out' or shaken all about.

Have done for years now, I've not heard of anyone suffering from a virus on the Mac since OS X. But of course there's a wide variety of applications that can erase a file or entire disc like a formatter, but if anyone chooses to erase their disc that's there choice. The same way that anyone can give their bank details to that nice African person who's got to find someone to stash those $millions he has and he will reward you with a million or so, just give him yuor bank details it's as simple as that.

There my comments they don;t need a source any more than you comment does.

If you really want to keep you're data safe a RAID is the best option.

If I was running a 'proper' backup system I wouldn't use cheap USB discs.

The installer copying the .dll files to the system from the installer.

[The Natural Philosopher]

Well I've certainly GOT one on my mac.

It is a windows virus I received today,

It doesn't DO anything of course.

Why isn't dennis in your kill file? along with Dr Drivel and Steve Firth?

Gets rid of so much utter crap, that can infect a mac newsreader just as well as a PC.. ;-)

[whisky-dave]

well you can get them on a Mac that's why I perhaps sneakily said OS X.

Well if yourun windows expect panes as they say.

It would if it could although I've heard the word virsus can cause a few upsets to new documents.

I don't use killfiles, I'm amused by some of the things some posters come up with, in that way if I want simpe, amusment I know where to turn.

True, and a nut can be let loose on any keyboard

[dennis]

No. I may have had access to an external sound card but the processing is done on the laptop.

Its bloatware?

You make it sound like I was suggesting using 64k of RAM, I have already said I have 3 GB. Its you that suggests four GB isn't enough as you think laptops can't take more.

Samsung r70 ATM.

No.

It doesn't matter, it isn't DV standard or analogue.

[dmc]

As much as I hate it, there really isn't much alternative out there that performs as well. Sad but true...

Darren - returning from a week away and urking at the number of posts in uk.d-i-y!

[The Natural Philosopher]

It IS OSX.

I don't. Not for email. Thats the point ;-)

Try not to run word anyway.. Only got it on te Mac.

The PEE CEE runs open office.

Truble is you get bored with the samenes of their responses.

[whisky-dave]

But teh virus hasn';t affected or infected OS X has it. Just the windows part and it won;t migrate to OS X. It might have some effect on a M$ product like word under OS X but I've yet to hear of anything of significance in the real world.

I do try, but some others use Word and for compatibility purposes sometime you just have to have Word.

True, but there are other groups with such people, sometimes reading those posts is funnier than the funnies in the paper or even funnier than watching the Xfactor.