Newsnight and ventilators.

Mar 26, 2020 Last reply: 6 years ago 126 Replies

Now explain why you went to the lengths of snipping part of it, then?

Zahawi tried to side step pertinent questions on the topic from the very start.

Given Maitlis is a well known Tory, I'd suggest you take it up with her. But of course the likes of you expect any Tory to blindly agree with anything they say. Perhaps you'd do better in the USA.

Why bother modifying an existing machine that could be available (and approved) in a week rather than wait to have some built, tested and approved (however long that takes)?

Cheers, T i m

From memory, there certainly was a "Cones Hotline",

This was also about the time poor old Major was initiating his "Back to Basics"* initiative; possibly in the interval between his ditching of Edwina Currie (as it subsequently transpired) and the revelations about Neil Hamilton's brown envelopes emerging.

With the passage of time, sadly, it all becomes a bit of a blur.

michael adams

*"Baxter Basics" in Viz

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Pamela, I'll snip the big long thing.

But Fred claimed that Dyson has over 4000 employees in the UK, and gave a link where Dyson themselves state this.

If you have evidence to discredit this please post it.

Andy

Which isn't running. Leaving a bunch of people who understand about how gas moves about with nothing to do.

Andy

Well let's see what some possible explanations might be:

a. existing machine uses parts which are no longer available

b. existing machine uses software/firmware not documented/available

c. existing machine requires manufacturing technique which are outdated/slow/no longer commonly available

d. some blokes on an obscure Usenet group know better than the collective minds of the engineers UCL and Mercedes-AMG High Performance plus the clinicians at UCLH.

Anyone seen Occam's razor about anywhere?

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It seems in your desperate rush to look oh-so-clever you have conflated two different solution paths, and contradicted yourself over two posts (probably when you realised you were agreeing with me).

Well done!

Cheers, T i m

It still needed to get regulatory approval, which it now has, and then undergo clinical trials, which are currently ongoing.

The process can be given priority, but not skipped entirely.

In this case, they are making an improved version that is more suitable for Covid-19 patients than is the usual COPD device.

If you actually read the web site which Fred gave, it says no such thing as there being 4,000 manufacturing jobs in the UK.

How very cute of you to snip out where I gave the information before. As I posted before but which you dishonestly removed, Dyson moved all manufacturing from the UK to the Far East many years ago. His electric car is made in Singapore. Last year he moved his office there too. The remaining employees at Malmesbury are designers engaged in R&D not production.

A self-serving promotional web page by someone as disreputable as James Dyson proves nothing other than what he wishes his publicity to be. Fred was shortshighted in choosing the web page and you were foolish for not reading it.

The firm said in a statement: "An increasing majority of Dyson's customers and all of our manufacturing operations are now in Asia" [2019]

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For your part perhaps you could post a link which shows Dyson manufactures in the UK. I would be very interested to know which products they are. I won't hold my breath.

Does that mean one who develops and makes ventilators would do well designing an F1 engine? ;-)

Of course.

I've never suggested they should drag a machine off some arbitrary design / manufacturing line, roll it into a ward, attach it to a patient, turn it on and walk away.

However, if *needs must* and some kit is sitting there, straight from the manufacturers and had been tested as all such things definitely would (on the flow line initially, as sub modules are assembled and as a final solution) ... *IF* I was going to die without one, I'd be more than happy to give it a go.

Or do we think a company could develop something like a respirator without knowing what it had to do, or what it shouldn't do?

In the highly unlikely event (given the above) I died because of the machine (because it didn't do what it should or overdid what it should), then little would have been lost, given it was that or 'go home to die'. ;-(

YMMV etc. ;-)

Cheers,T i m

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Makes no significant difference tax wise Still investing in the UK Minimal impact - two directors moving. etc etc.

"There will be no impact on its 4,000 workers in Britain, and according to Mr Rowan, little impact on its tax affairs either. In 2017, it paid £95 million to the Exchequer." From BBC website.

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He doesn't because Wilts CC refused him planning permission. Twice IIRC

And working with UCL have designed knocked up a prototype and submitted for approval an aspirator which is non intrusive and can easily and quickly be manufactured.

In article snipped-for-privacy@davenoise.co.uk>, "Dave Plowman (News)" snipped-for-privacy@davenoise.co.uk> writes

It means the private sector can respond rapidly to a challenge and get the job done before the public sector has arranged its first meeting.

Wrong question. Can the design easily be produced in high volumes? Answer Yes.

Reports suggest high unreliability amongst recent medical supplies from China.

Dutch and Italians are complaining about unreliability of equipment from China.

What's the massive chip all about?

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