New Woodburner Regulations

[The Natural Philosopher]

Yup. As I found when trying to resell furniture older than the 'it contains PU foam and catches fire' times.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

Being an expert in the meaning of life doesn't seem to extend to understanding proposed regulations.

[Weatherlawyer]

Teresa may get us out but there surely is no doubt Some silly bastards need a clout Let us spank the bastards now to jolly them along For too long we've been put upon And there really is no doubt it is long time we were out.

[The Natural Philosopher]

I rest my case.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

Shh. Don't tell the likes of Turnip that. Or that Dyson wanted a lower limit than the proposed one. It goes against the teachings of his vacuum sect.

Perish the thought that we can't just make up any EU reg we care to. That would cost the press millions of sales.

Good to know Apple is controlled by the EU. Explains everything.

If only I heard just one truly convincing reason.

[Weatherlawyer]

Like the divine right to buy from anywhere but China and to reopen coal mines if you want to?

[Tim Streater]

I've always known they are bizarre, what took you so long? I only see the Mail (and in the distance, as in across the room) when at the Chinese waiting for a takeaway. I did actually hear St Nige on Today this morning but that is the first time in a coon's age.

[harry]

Drivel. It becomes obsolete when something significantly better comes along.

[The Other Mike]

Indirectly it was, the Krauts invented PAL, we managed perfectly well with black and white tv's.

[Andy Burns]

No, it introduced them the same way in introduced rather than phased out "smart" pumps.

Then you will be pleased that I read it from here instead

I think it would be much better to force labelling, and let the consumer choose.

[Andrew]

Jeff Layman wrote: What I find interesting

Exactly!

Given the inherent variables in any stove set up (draw of flue/atmospheric conditions/fuel quality/mode of usage), I can see the Ecodesign stoves meeting all the specified conditions in the test lab, but being wide of the mark in the real world. All at extra cost in terms of design and development, testing and certification, ultimately paid for by the consumer.

Andrew

[Dave Plowman (News)]

Whatever. So many of your bizarre opinions are also those of the Mail and Farage. So sorry for thinking you got them there.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

Which smart pumps have been phased out?

If they've said incandescent bulbs have been phased out they're as wrong as you.

You really think makers give a stuff about efficiency on something like a vacuum cleaner? And most consumers simply don't care.

[Andy Burns]

So why should the EU care more than the person paying the electricity bill? What % of energy is used by hoovering?

[The Natural Philosopher]

Anyone remember SECAM?

[Jeff Layman]

I've just sent an enquiry to the SIA asking where the limits came from, and asking them to comment on the higher NOx level from the Ecodesign stove, particularly with the current concern over high NOx levels from diesels in cities.

I wonder what their answer will be?

[Capitol]

Are the Russians still using it?

[damduck-egg]

Somewhere amongst my sequence of memories.

G.Harman

[Huge]

System Essentially Contrary to the American Method.

[John Rumm]

OOI do you have a reference for the "more suction" bit? Just wondering how they define more suction... I can see you could trade off static suction against airflow for a given amount of power - but that may not make it perform better.